Need Your Expert Opinion On My Arod Bat

[3arod13]

Re: Need Your Expert Opinion On My Arod Bat

Although it is a nice arod gamer, I feel that the inscription is silly and adds zero value. The fact that is was inscribed as used in the last series of yankee stadium as though that in some way enhances its value to me is silly and actually a turn off. Also, Arod HR bats from his early years can now be had for the same price as your bat and they seem to be a better investment.. Just my 2 cents, I hope that you get a good offer.

Best,
Dave

Dave, thanks for your comments. This is the reason I wanted to get all of your opinions. Collectors look for different things. Some like inscriptions; some like items signed; some don't like them signed; etc.

I personally like the inscription. Without it, it's just a signed game used bat. For me, being used in the last series of old Yankee Stadium, makes it better than just a gamer in a regular game.

Truly appreciate all opinions and comments.

Regards, Tony

[joelsabi]

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There were some ARod items from the last game at Yankee Stadium that interested me and sadly lost on the bidding. I was thinking if this bat was used in the last game of the series they would have used the "last game" inscription instead of the "last series" inscription. I figured it wasn't used in the last game.

[sportscrazy13]

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Me being a big AROD collector I don't like his odd long inscriptions he uses. I'd rather have just "game used" or "game used HR#". I think your bat in todays bad market would get somewhere over 1K. After he retires and hopefully gets voted in the HOF, I think it's a 5K+ bat. With it being used in the final series at OYS I think would only increase it's value as time goes on. JMO

Gary

[kingjammy24]

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i do not feel the bat is likely to increase in value over time. i feel it's actually more likely to decrease. the current prices of Arod bats already have him being a HOFer built into them. people know Arod's performance. they know his stats. when he hit #500, noone was surprised and his bats didn't suddenly surge in value because when he was at #300, people knew he'd hit 500. the current expectation is that Arod will eventually hit 600 and that if he retired today, he'd make the HOF. those current expectations are already built into the current prices.

the reason i feel the bat is likely to decrease in value is because of the grotesque oversupply that is sure to continue for many, many years to come. people will be tripping over these things for decades. anytime you go on ebay, there are always around 8-10 Arod gamers with Arod certs. it's just going to get worse and worse. in 5 yrs, i imagine there'll be 20 Arod gamers any given day on ebay. he's cranking these things out like there's no tomorrow so i don't see how prices can possibly increase. so what if he has a good 2010? people are expecting him to! they're expecting that he'll hit 600. they'll expect he'll make the HOF. this isn't like josh hamilton coming back from the dead and all of a sudden his items start climbing in value. hamilton's items increased because he defied expectations. the best Arod can do at this point is meet expectations. my 2 cents: from here until he retires, Arod items will very gradually decline because of the overwhelming supply. when the world eventually ends, there'll only 2 things left on earth.. cockroaches and black C271 Arod gamers with ESM/MVP certs.

tony, your boy just killed things with the oversupply. look at griffey..mark murphy has griffey-certed game-used jerseys from the early 90s that he can't get rid of for around the mid $2k. a pujols-certed gamer by contrast would easily fetch twice that. why is that? griffey is surefire first-ballot HOFer with 600 HRs and no steroid talk! why is pujols worth twice as much? because unlike griffey, pujols hasn't flooded the market for years. pujols-certed jerseys are very hard to find. go on a search for Arod game-used bats and you'l find dozens and dozens and dozens. it's only going to get worse because it seems that every year he just cranks out more and more.

rudy.

[karamaxjoe]

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The silence is deafening after your comments Rudy.

I 100% agree with you on all points except for one. I believe the value in Arods bats would spike if he finally showed up in the postseason and won a ring. There's a lot of casual, clueless collectors out there who would pay an inflated premium to have one of Arods bats once he overcomes his postseason jinx. Once the hype is over the bats would return to their stagnant level and slowly decrese with the supply constantly rolling in.

The concept of supply and demand doesn't seem to matter to a lot of collectors these days. I would guess most of the guys on this forum collects bats and jerseys from heavily marketed modern players with little care if their stuff is rare or not. I find it much more rewarding when I add a rare item to my collection rather than an item I could find at any time, but that's just my opinion. We all collect stuff for different reasons.

Didn't we learn anything from the baseball card crash in the early 90's?

[earlywynnfan]

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This is why I'm happy to keep my nice, simple, autographed AROD Rangers bat. I'm not a Yankee, so I don't care if it's not NY. It matches everything, has a plain auto, and great use, and I got it for $300. If his stuff tanks, it'll have to tank a heck of a lot to go below $300.

Ken
earlywynnfan5@hotmail.com

[joelsabi]

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The silence is deafening after your comments Rudy.

I 100% agree with you on all points except for one. I believe the value in Arods bats would spike if he finally showed up in the postseason and won a ring. There's a lot of casual, clueless collectors out there who would pay an inflated premium to have one of Arods bats once he overcomes his postseason jinx. Once the hype is over the bats would return to their stagnant level and slowly decrese with the supply constantly rolling in.

The concept of supply and demand doesn't seem to matter to a lot of collectors these days. I would guess most of the guys on this forum collects bats and jerseys from heavily marketed modern players with little care if their stuff is rare or not. I find it much more rewarding when I add a rare item to my collection rather than an item I could find at any time, but that's just my opinion. We all collect stuff for different reasons.

Didn't we learn anything from the baseball card crash in the early 90's?

ARod regular season bats are in large supply. There isn't a week on Ebay where there arent at least 5 regular season bats on sale. I never feel the urgency to get a regular ARod bat. I know they will always be there.


ARod may have the most documented HR bats available of any player ever but only around 10% of these bats have become available. Where are the rest of the HR bats? Were they given out as gifts? Some have. Are they in his personal collection? Maybe some milestone ones. Will these HR bats ever show up in the hobby in the future? Maybe.

I agree, one more spike if he contributes to a Yankee championship. And another spike solely due to Yankee collectors if he ends up contributing on a dynastic Yankee team.

[kingjammy24]

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I agree, one more spike if he contributes to a Yankee championship. And another spike solely due to Yankee collectors if he ends up contributing on a dynastic Yankee team.

yes. because the expectation is that he won't win a ring and won't contribute substantially to a dynastic yankee team. current expectation is that he's a post-season choke artist and a clubhouse cancer. spikes would occur if he surpasses expectations. current expectations for arod are 40+ HR seasons, tons more all-star games, 600 HRs, HOF. is he really going to exceed those by a substantial margin? good luck.

rudy.

[3arod13]

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Thanks for all the comments. Don't think Rudy helped my cause much, but he's right.

That's the one thing I don't like about Arod. He just floods and floods the market with way too much stuff. If you have an arod gamer, well so does everyone else, and then some. I agree that having a gamer with just a nice signature looks nicer. But there are thousands of those.

That's the reason I do like an added inscription, depending on what it is. "Chicks did the long ball" and "The house that Ruth built" I don't care much for.

Being that this bat was used in the last series at old Yankee Stadium is pretty nice. Has some added significance other than just game used in any other game or series.

I still say it's an awesome gamer bat (pictures don't do it justice), and for the price, it's a steal. I honestly am shocked it hasn't sold at even the current "buy it now" price.

As many said, once Arod gets hot again, and if he does become significant in the post season, his stuff will move again.

As always, I do appreciate all of your comments and opinions.

Regards, Tony

[kingjammy24]

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If you have an arod gamer, well so does everyone else, and then some.

bingo. that's exactly it in a nutshell. honestly, i don't think any athlete in any of the 4 major sports has ever flooded the market like arod. collect arod because you're a fan of his but if you're expecting his stuff to appreciate, i think you'll likely be disappointed. the amount of his stuff out there is staggering and it's only going to get worse and worse each year. he began marketing his items way back in 1995 for pete's sake with mill creek/coast to coast. then ASI, ESM, MVP, etc., etc. and it wasn't like he only donated small amounts of really pristine items. he donated everything..socks 'n jocks, bats and caps, if he touched it for a minute, he wrote "game used" on it and sent it on down. BP bats, regular season bats, post-season bats, spring training bats, etc. i'm surprised he didn't accidentally send his daughter to MVP with "game used" written on her forehead.

i just checked ebay and mvp and as of right now, there are at least 14 gamers available all with arod certs and many of them "notable" bats. i'm willing to bet MVP doesn't put its entire arod inventory on its website. they likely have another 15-20 in the wings and those are only 2 sources. i'm guessing private dealers/collectors and other websites would probably add another 10 to the mix so on any given day you've probably got your choice of 40 or so arod gamers constantly available. i just don't see how prices can rise with this glut if all he does is continue having the seasons everyone already expects him to have. my guess is that by the time arod retires, his bats might be going for less than $1k a piece because, as tony said, everyone has one and then some. he's not a very popular player and already is no longer considered the best player in baseball even though he's in his prime so where's all the demand going to come from to keep this huge supply at high prices? he's producing more bats than there are arod fans.



conversely, i typed in "albert pujols game used bat" on ebay and here are the current results:



pujols bats with upper deck? 0. pujols bats on the pujols family foundation website? 0.

rudy.

[MSpecht]

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when the world eventually ends, there'll only 2 things left on earth.. cockroaches and black C271 Arod gamers with ESM/MVP certs.


rudy.

Hmmmmm...I wouldn't bet against Keith Richards.

Mike jackitout7@aol.com

[joelsabi]

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I still say it's an awesome gamer bat (pictures don't do it justice), and for the price, it's a steal. I honestly am shocked it hasn't sold at even the current "buy it now" price.

Tony,

Your buy now price is very fair. I would rather have your bat at $1400 than the regular 2009 game used bat that just sold for $1300.

[3arod13]

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Tony,

Your buy now price is very fair. I would rather have your bat at $1400 than the regular 2009 game used bat that just sold for $1300.

Joel, I agree. A 2009 gamer...nice. A 2008 gamer used in final series at old Yankee Stadium in 2008, nicer.

I'm just selling this bat away from getting my dream gamer. From the time I saw this bat, I wanted it. Asked the owner to contact me if they ever decided to sell it, and they recently did. Since then, I'm now scrambling to sell whatever I can to obtain the funds to buy it.

I sold my Arod HR#1 Signed Ticket and my 3 1994 Arod signed baseballs. That's how bad I want this gamer. And when I get it, you will all understand.

Regards, Tony

[whatupyos]

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Tony:

Just thought I'd ask a simple question. Are you dear set at your price? I'm just thinking out load here. If I came across a piece that I really wanted such as you have....would it kill you to come down in price, enough to where you'd get a good amount for it, just less than what you have? I feel you on the tiny offers of like $200.00. I'd assume you know this already, and if you do, forgive me but cant' you set an automatic decline on tiny offers? I.E. set the BIN price at $800.00 as an example, so that EBAY automatically declines all offers smaller than that?

I'm not suggesting that you lower it to try and buy the bat myself at a cheaper price so please don't think I'm trying to do that. I've tried to sell stuff so I could at least get what I paid for it (tough to do since I am more than happy to go over a fair market price for a piece I want), but its a suggestion.

Good luck to you, I hope you can make it all work out in the end.

Aaron

[3arod13]

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Tony:

Just thought I'd ask a simple question. Are you dear set at your price? I'm just thinking out load here. If I came across a piece that I really wanted such as you have....would it kill you to come down in price, enough to where you'd get a good amount for it, just less than what you have? I feel you on the tiny offers of like $200.00. I'd assume you know this already, and if you do, forgive me but cant' you set an automatic decline on tiny offers? I.E. set the BIN price at $800.00 as an example, so that EBAY automatically declines all offers smaller than that?

I'm not suggesting that you lower it to try and buy the bat myself at a cheaper price so please don't think I'm trying to do that. I've tried to sell stuff so I could at least get what I paid for it (tough to do since I am more than happy to go over a fair market price for a piece I want), but its a suggestion.

Good luck to you, I hope you can make it all work out in the end.

Aaron

Aaron, thanks for you comments and advice. I'm struggling with how to do this. Don't want my "Buy it now" price to be too low, because buyers will then expect to get it for even a lower price. If I keep the "Buy it now" price too high, then many assume I won't go too much lower than my "Buy it now" price.

I got offers from some here, but many want it way too cheap. Some so they can resell to make a proffit. Understandable, as I do the same myself to support my collecting.

I have a certain price I want (need) to get for it. I believe a very fair price for this bat. Maybe I can indcate that in my auction comments. First to offer $_______ will get it. Maybe that would help.

I understand Arod's numbers aren't his usual this year (well, he has missed a lot of games this year), but we all know, if he does something in the post-season, and the Yankess win the World Series, then that changes everything.

The price I hope to get for this bat is a good deal for boy myself, and the potential buyer. Bat shows great use.

Regards, Tony