"77 Jim Palmer jersey

[rluck]

GF auction '77 Jim Palmer jersey home set 1

http://www.greyflannelauctions.com/LotDetail.aspx?lotid=21587

Hunt auction '77 Jim Palmer jersey home set 1

http://www.huntauctions.com/LIVE/imageviewer_online.cfm?auction_num=16&lot_num=922&lot_qual=

Name plate on back not the same. The Hunt aution plate resembles jersey's of that era. Comments please.

randy

[sox83cubs84]

Re: "77 Jim Palmer jersey

GF auction '77 Jim Palmer jersey home set 1

http://www.greyflannelauctions.com/LotDetail.aspx?lotid=21587

Hunt auction '77 Jim Palmer jersey home set 1

http://www.huntauctions.com/LIVE/imageviewer_online.cfm?auction_num=16&lot_num=922&lot_qual=

Name plate on back not the same. The Hunt aution plate resembles jersey's of that era. Comments please.

randy

Randy, I think you're on to something.
Also, the flag tag on the GFC offering seems to have print that is overly dark and slightly blurry.

Dave M.
Chicago area

[kingjammy24]

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should a 1977 orioles gamer even have a nameplate? bill henderson's guide indicates it should not. here's a 1976 orioles gamer with no nameplate:

http://www.lelands.com/Auction.aspx/AuctionDetailed/49375/November-2008-Catalogue/Sports/Baseball-Equipment/Lot622~1976-Reggie-Jackson-Baltimore-Orioles-Game-Used-Jersey/page1

here's a '75. i can't tell if there's a nameplate or not but it appears as if there isn't one:

http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/auction/2007/1274.html

to my eye, neither the GFC nor the Hunt's nameplates look original. (and if a '77 orioles gamer should not have a nameplate then i guess it's evident why they don't look original). both of the nameplates are noticeably brighter than the rest of the jersey. i've reduced the brightness and slightly increased the contrast on the GFC jersey just to show that the nameplate is indeed not original. the adjustment i did wasn't just to the nameplate. it was a uniform adjustment to the entire jersey. if the lighting is too bright then differences can get washed out. darkening it can reveal some of those lost details. at any rate, to my eye neither nameplate is original. beyond that, why are the collars different? i don't know which style is correct for 1977. REA sold off a 1975 brooks robinson jersey and the collar on that one matched Hunt's Palmer, not GFCs'. plus, the front numbers on the GFC jersey are larger than those on the Hunt's jersey. i transposed the letter "l" from each jersey beside their respective "22" so as to provide an accurate base from which to measure.



rudy.

[kingjammy24]

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here's a shot of palmer's 1979 topps card which i assume is using a pic from 1978 or earlier:



rudy.

[kingjammy24]

Re: "77 Jim Palmer jersey

the "A" shown on the '79 Topps card is clearly not the same as shown on the GFC jersey. anyway, here's brooks from his 1977 topps card. i don't see a nameplate:



rudy.

[sox83cubs84]

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Rudy:

My recollection is that the O's began using nameplates in 1977. Also, the two photos you show of Palmer and Brooksie are Wilson road greys, not a Rawlings home white.

Dave M.
Chicago area

[kingjammy24]

Re: "77 Jim Palmer jersey

Rudy:

My recollection is that the O's began using nameplates in 1977. Also, the two photos you show of Palmer and Brooksie are Wilson road greys, not a Rawlings home white.

Dave M.
Chicago area

what do you make of the different collar trims? i still don't think the nameplate on GFC's jersey is original. the OP stated that the hunt nob looks more appropriate yet when compared to the topps photos of both palmer and robinson, even though they're sporting wilson shirts, the GFC arch seems more accurate. i do realize that its possible for wilson to have used a different font and possibly a different arch than rawlings during the same year.

rudy.

[sox83cubs84]

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what do you make of the different collar trims? i still don't think the nameplate on GFC's jersey is original. the OP stated that the hunt nob looks more appropriate yet when compared to the topps photos of both palmer and robinson, even though they're sporting wilson shirts, the GFC arch seems more accurate. i do realize that its possible for wilson to have used a different font and possibly a different arch than rawlings during the same year.

rudy.

The O's used the vertical arch on Wilson jerseys, and the basic arch on Rawlings gamers. I'll look at the trims and make another post on that. I stll have reservations about the flag tag on the GFC Palmer. Likewise, I agree that the GFC Palmer NOB plate looks like it may not be original.

Dave M.
Chicago area

[sox83cubs84]

Re: "77 Jim Palmer jersey

Rudy:

Your observations on the neck trim are valid...the GFC Palmer doesn't match up to any of the 1977 home O's photos I've been able to locate so far.

Dave M.
Chicago area

[kingjammy24]

Re: "77 Jim Palmer jersey

"The O's used the vertical arch on Wilson jerseys, and the basic arch on Rawlings gamers."

i didn't mean the style of the arch for the lettering. i meant the actual angle of the arch, on the GFC vs the Hunt's shirts (which were both rawlings). here:



clearly, the hunt's jersey has a far more pronounced arch. the very few photos i've seen didn't show such a severe arch. they showed a more gradual arch as seen on the GFC shirt.

re: the collars. clearly, they're 2 different collars. the jerseys are constructed differently even though they're both made by rawlings. my suspicion is that both collars are legit styles albeit from different time periods. i don't know enough about 70s-era orioles shirts to say what time period each collar style hails from.



(fyi: the collar on the right, which is the same style as the hunt's collar, was actually taken from a 1976 reggie jackson shirt from heritage)

what about the inscription? i found a 1974 palmer jersey on AMI. here is the AMI inscription vs the GFC inscription. palmer always had the crazy "P" which the GFC autograph lacks. as well, "Cy Young" is written differently. i'm no autograph expert though.



rudy.

[flaco1801]

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rudy i just looked at my 77 rawlings.. the collar is closed like hunts.. it was a kiko garcia with a new nameplate added.

[beantown]

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I had this picture of Jim Palmer saved which was dated 1977...it appears the arch is closer to the jersey offered in Hunt vs. GFC....IMO....

[diamondicons1]

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In 2005 Legendary Auction Listed a 1977 Palmer Home Jersey, Set 1. Jersey is clearly different than the Grey Flannel Listing. The Mastro Jersey is also very consistent with the 1977 Palmer Photo posted previously.

[kingjammy24]

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welp..here's what i've figured out. from about 1973 to 1979, the orioles home jerseys were supplied by rawlings and their road jerseys by wilson. during this time, wilson and rawlings had different style collars. rawlings used the closed-style collar while wilson used the open-style collar. so for the purposes of discussing GFC's 1977 jim palmer jersey, it only makes sense to discuss home rawlings jerseys. after viewing many photos it seems apparent to me that rawlings finally switched to the open style collar, seen on GFC's 1977 palmer jersey, sometime around 1984 or 1985. through the 70s and into the early 80s, they clearly used a closed-style collar as seen on Hunt's 1977 palmer and the 1976 reggie jackson that both REA and Lelands sold off. i cannot see how GFC's jersey is from anywhere near 1977. it may be from after palmer had already retired from baseball. here are many photos from various years:



rudy.

[mcnallypalmercuellardobson]

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"The O's used the vertical arch on Wilson jerseys, and the basic arch on Rawlings gamers."

i didn't mean the style of the arch for the lettering. i meant the actual angle of the arch, on the GFC vs the Hunt's shirts (which were both rawlings). here:



clearly, the hunt's jersey has a far more pronounced arch. the very few photos i've seen didn't show such a severe arch. they showed a more gradual arch as seen on the GFC shirt.

re: the collars. clearly, they're 2 different collars. the jerseys are constructed differently even though they're both made by rawlings. my suspicion is that both collars are legit styles albeit from different time periods. i don't know enough about 70s-era orioles shirts to say what time period each collar style hails from.



(fyi: the collar on the right, which is the same style as the hunt's collar, was actually taken from a 1976 reggie jackson shirt from heritage)

what about the inscription? i found a 1974 palmer jersey on AMI. here is the AMI inscription vs the GFC inscription. palmer always had the crazy "P" which the GFC autograph lacks. as well, "Cy Young" is written differently. i'm no autograph expert though.



rudy.

The GFC autograph looks like a studied and deliberate copy of the AMI, which based on my own Palmer sigs, seems legit.