If you paid BIG $ for JO's Cutler or Sanchez

[otismalibu]

Re: If you paid BIG $ for JO's Cutler or Sanchez

I DO think you could have addressed the matter to me a little more respectfully than you did in your original post about the Dr.J jerseys.

Hey, I put a smiley at the end of it.

It's not like this board has no shady characters. I'm just trying to keep track.

[tjm5711]

Re: If you paid BIG $ for JO's Cutler or Sanchez

Wow, and now we have even more definitions that are longer ! The Bears hardly used the old cut in 2008 either ! Everything stated was according to TripleXXX sports. He uses no proof or pictures to back up his claims. Like I have done in numerous occasions earlier in this thread. The facts are plain,simple,and clear:

1.)Game issued/cut is simply a jersey exactly the same as a game used(maybe minus a few personal alterations) minus the game use !

2.)Jay Cutler has only worn the new "Bronco-Cut", And never wore the older style! Period !!

So if Jay never wore this older style, how can this be a game/team issue or whatever you want to call it ?

Instead of getting lost in verbage and long definitions, If you keep this simple, you will see this jersey is in my opinion far from what it is claimed to be !

[clinton2828]

Re: If you paid BIG $ for JO's Cutler or Sanchez

can we close this thread it is going no where.

i am not sure when this thread turned into some "social court" where people have to defend what they spend there money on.

lets all just worry about our own collections and investments and help to improve the industry.

this thread dose neither.

[TriplexXxSports]

Re: If you paid BIG $ for JO's Cutler or Sanchez

Wow, and now we have even more definitions that are longer ! The Bears hardly used the old cut in 2008 either ! Everything stated was according to TripleXXX sports. He uses no proof or pictures to back up his claims. Like I have done in numerous occasions earlier in this thread. The facts are plain,simple,and clear:

1.)Game issued/cut is simply a jersey exactly the same as a game used(maybe minus a few personal alterations) minus the game use ! This is your OPINION on these terms. I have a different opinion of these terms and I justified my definitions above.

2.)Jay Cutler has only worn the new "Bronco-Cut", And never wore the older style! Period !! - Why does that instantly mean that there were not jerseys made up for him before the season even started or the team went exclusively with the 'Bronco's Cut'?

So if Jay never wore this older style, how can this be a game/team issue or whatever you want to call it ? Beacuse it is a team jersey that was part of the Bears inventory at the time the jersey was altered for Jay - Most likely before the season even started.

Instead of getting lost in verbage and long definitions, If you keep this simple, you will see this jersey is in my opinion far from what it is claimed to be !

Exactly - your opinion. But you are not a certified Bears jersey authenticator, nor are any of us, so agree to disagree, they are only our OPINIONS. Your opinion does not offer any CONCRETE evidence that the Cutler is not what I stated it to be. You make your claim, and I make mine. We can go around in these circles for days, but in the end it is all just OPINION.

You wanted some pics....here are pics from weeks 16, 15, 14, 13, 12, 11, 10, 9, and 8. I think its enough to verify my claim about the seams and to prove your comment about "hardly using them' to be incorrect.

[34swtns]

Re: If you paid BIG $ for JO's Cutler or Sanchez

can we close this thread it is going no where.

i am not sure when this thread turned into some "social court" where people have to defend what they spend there money on.

lets all just worry about our own collections and investments and help to improve the industry.

this thread dose neither.

That's your opinion and yours alone. Don't pretend to speak for the rest of us here.

Great spelling, too.

[TriplexXxSports]

Re: If you paid BIG $ for JO's Cutler or Sanchez

That's your opinion and yours alone. Don't pretend to speak for the rest of us here.

Great spelling, too.

[tjm5711]

Re: If you paid BIG $ for JO's Cutler or Sanchez

Here are pictures of Jay Cutler from each year with the Broncos 2006,07,08.

As you can see he wears The "Bronco-cut" each year !

Why on earth would the Bears make a separate(older cut) jersey for someone that obviously wears the "Broncos-Cut?"

Yes, I am not a Bears Authenticator, but neither are you my friend. Nor are you affiliated with the Chicago Bears in any way.

[tjm5711]

Re: If you paid BIG $ for JO's Cutler or Sanchez

You also use several pictures to show 4 different players. Here are pictures showing many more wearing the "Broncos-cut". I simply said the Bears hardly used that cut any more. I never said they didn't use them at all ! I think one of those pictures is of the same Urlacher in your collection posted on your website ! You can take a look at that and physically see the cut for yourself !

[TriplexXxSports]

Re: If you paid BIG $ for JO's Cutler or Sanchez

You also use several pictures to show 4 different players. Here are pictures showing many more wearing the "Broncos-cut". I simply said the Bears hardly used that cut any more. I never said they didn't use them at all ! 8 out of 16 games with player wearing the older cut is a little more than 'hardly used'. I could keep going through weeks 7,6,5,4,3,2,1, and preseason and and I bet they would be worn in those games too. I also stated earlier that THEY USED BOTH STYLES IN 2008.
I think one of those pictures is of the same Urlacher in your collection posted on your website ! You can take a look at that and physically see the cut for yourself !I never posted a pic of Urlacher

And, what Cutler wore at Denver has NO affect on what the team tells him he is going to wear while at Chicago. He will wear what the Chicago Bears provided for him. As do all the other players.

[xpress34]

Re: If you paid BIG $ for JO's Cutler or Sanchez

Chris:

To defend my comments, I'd have to launch into ANOTHER political commentary, and I don't think that's what you want to hear.

I'll let this go, and likewise will wish you joy and peace this Christmas and a quality 2010.

Dave M.
Chicago area

Dave -

I hope it's better than how 2009 is closing out! Just had my 16 year old come home with his lip pierced - just to tick off his mom - and then it came to light that he has been smoking for the past 4 years... yes, BOTH types of tobacco! That said, I'll persevere and move on into 2010...

And to think I was going to give my Collection to him when he turns 18 to pay for college or whatever... I'm re-thinking that now!

The very best to you and yours this holiday season and into 2010 as well... I'm sure we'll have plenty to agree about, disagree about and to agree to disagree about in 2010!

- Chris

[tjm5711]

Re: If you paid BIG $ for JO's Cutler or Sanchez

Lip pierced ? YIKES ! Interesting how you planned on giving him your collection to pay for his college. That's a great plan ! Hopefully, he'll shake-out of his funk ! BOTH types of tobacco ? Now, that's scary ! I wish you the best of luck on that ! And they thought we were bad when we were kids ! LOL

[Capital-Sports]

Re: If you paid BIG $ for JO's Cutler or Sanchez

Well Chris I can tell you I have been there before. Well actually, I was the juvenile. lol. Though I never did get my lip pierced.

But according to the new GI Bill that was passed August 2009, you can pass on your education benefits to your family if you wanted.

Though there are stipulations with it.

You should look into it, as it can save you from selling your collection.

Mark

[cohibasmoker]

Re: If you paid BIG $ for JO's Cutler or Sanchez

Well Chris I can tell you I have been there before. Well actually, I was the juvenile. lol. Though I never did get my lip pierced.

But according to the new GI Bill that was passed August 2009, you can pass on your education benefits to your family if you wanted.

Though there are stipulations with it.

You should look into it, as it can save you from selling your collection.

Mark

Chris,

This may or may NOT be solid advice. Not sure of the GI bill thing (stipulations) nor am I sure of your age or if you are in the Medicare and/or Medicare system but getting rid of one's assets now may be wise thing before the Congress of CHANGE gets it. Why would I make such statements?

If one is considering estate planning, the current healthcare bill may be a good start to see just where we're going. Currently in America, Medicare is an option - you can either accept it or not accept it - it's very simple. Under the new bill, Americans lose that option and, if you don't have Insurance, you would be MANDATED to get into the Medicare system. This now allows the Federal government access to your personal records (financial and medical) and the ability to seize your assets.

That's just one aspect of the 2800 page bill the Democrats are pushing through. I'm sure the gang of CHANGE will have other sections of the bill to get your "STUFF". So, it may be better to dispose of your property the way you deem fit rather than have the Federal Government take it.

Hey, don't take my word for it, read it yourself.

http://www.patriotfiles.com/forum/showthread.php?t=110757

Jim

PS: Sorry if my thread stopped people from escaping from the world around them but there isn't any escaping from the "gang of change".

[clinton2828]

Re: If you paid BIG $ for JO's Cutler or Sanchez

34,

you started this thread by bashing another collectors purchase decision and then started crying in another thread because you could not afford to outbid someone for a ronde barber jersey.

I don’t see what you are doing to help this board. Don’t you have something better to do than to critique others buying decisions and complain about others wiling to pay more for items than you.

[tjm5711]

Re: If you paid BIG $ for JO's Cutler or Sanchez

34,

you started this thread by bashing another collectors purchase decision and then started crying in another thread because you could not afford to outbid someone for a ronde barber jersey.

I don’t see what you are doing to help this board. Don’t you have something better to do than to critique others buying decisions and complain about others wiling to pay more for items than you.

Let me tell you something about "34 Sweetness." He is the main reason I am in this hobby ! He has taught me an invaluable amount, and is an extremely honest and good person. I refuse to sit here and watch him get bashed for starting a thread that addresses the crazy high prices charged for unproven players ! 20 Grand for a guy who just played a couple games ! Come on, He's right on time with his assessment.

As far as the Barber Jersey your talking about. Well he has good reason to bitch about that ! Some clown bid it up to $1600 with 5 days left on NFL Auctions. We're talking about Ronde "Freakin" Barber here ! It's people like that and certain dealers who drive the prices up for things we buy ! "34 Sweetness" reflects a common sense viewpoint of those of us who aren't made of money. We buy these overpriced items, and the if we go to sell them on Ebay or something, we get torched on the money we lose !

I totally respect your opinion sir, and really don't wish to engage you in a debate. But you ask what "34 Sweetness" has done to help this board? I can personally attest to what he has done to help my growth and development in this hobby ! I learned a lot in a very short time thanks to this man ! he is EXTREMELY informed about game-used jerseys. Thus in my opinion, I believe what he has to say is extremely valid! And i refuse to sit here and watch him get bashed for expressing his honest and open opinion !