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  • joelsabi
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2005
    • 3073

    #46
    Re: ARod's 500th HR ball going to Auction

    Originally posted by allstarsplus
    Also, if I am reading the rules properly, the 8 bids don't have to be 8 different distinct bidders. Do you agree?

    Current Bidding (Reserve Not Met)
    Minimum Bid: $25,000
    Current Bid: $48,721
    Number of Bids: 8

    -
    It is very possible. But why would you want to increase the bid amount prior to the extended bidding period? If you have an idea of what the reserve may be, what your bidding maximum and what it may go for, it's better to save all your energy for the knock out punch during the extended bidding period.

    Another possibilty would be a curious bidder really wanting to know the reserve price prior to the extended period.

    The more likely possibilty is that SCP has put in some bid(s) as Buster alluded to, which is bidding UP TO the reserve on behalf of the Consigner. Hence, Buster's thoughts that the next bid will go over the the reserve and cannot be made by SCP.

    MINIMUM BIDS

    Each lot in the auction has a Minimum Bid (designated in the printed catalogue and online as “MB”). Some lots in the sale also have a reserve price. A reserve price is the confidential minimum amount below which the consignor of the lot will not sell the property. Therefore an amount equal to or in excess of the reserve must be bid on a lot in order for a successful bid to be accepted on that lot. We may implement such reserve by bidding on behalf of the Consignor and may bid up to the amount of the reserve, by placing successive or consecutive bids for a lot, or bids in response to other bidders. In instances where we have an interest in the lot other than our commission, we may bid up to the reserve to protect such interest. Most lots in the sale do not have a reserve. Unless an item is withdrawn from the sale, for all items in the sale without reserves, the lots will be sold to the highest bidder at or above the Minimum Bid price or any amount higher than the Minimum Bids
    Regards,
    Joel S.
    joelsabi @ gmail.com
    Wanted: Alex Rodriguez Game Used Items and other unique artifacts, 1992 thru 1998 only. From High School to Early Mariners.

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    • allstarsplus
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2005
      • 3707

      #47
      Re: ARod's 500th HR ball going to Auction

      Originally posted by joelsabi
      It is very possible. But why would you want to increase the bid amount prior to the extended bidding period? If you have an idea of what the reserve may be, what your bidding maximum and what it may go for, it's better to save all your energy for the knock out punch during the extended bidding period.

      Another possibilty would be a curious bidder really wanting to know the reserve price prior to the extended period.

      The more likely possibilty is that SCP has put in some bid(s) as Buster alluded to, which is bidding UP TO the reserve on behalf of the Consigner. Hence, Buster's thoughts that the next bid will go over the the reserve and cannot be made by SCP.
      If I had to guess, I think there are probably 2 to 4 serious bidders already in. As you know with any auction, you need 2 bidders that are highly motivated with the right assets for his type of auction.

      Steve wouldn't tell me his ceiling however I think this is sure to go higher in the last few moments of the auction and will be exciting to see how high it will go!
      Regards,
      Andrew Lang
      AllstarsPlus@aol.com
      202-716-8500

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      • joelsabi
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2005
        • 3073

        #48
        Re: ARod's 500th HR ball going to Auction

        Originally posted by allstarsplus
        If I had to guess, I think there are probably 2 to 4 serious bidders already in. As you know with any auction, you need 2 bidders that are highly motivated with the right assets for his type of auction.

        Steve wouldn't tell me his ceiling however I think this is sure to go higher in the last few moments of the auction and will be exciting to see how high it will go!
        Steve is a seasoned bidder. He's not sharing info even with his best of buddies.
        Regards,
        Joel S.
        joelsabi @ gmail.com
        Wanted: Alex Rodriguez Game Used Items and other unique artifacts, 1992 thru 1998 only. From High School to Early Mariners.

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        • joelsabi
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2005
          • 3073

          #49
          Re: ARod's 500th HR ball going to Auction

          Originally posted by allstarsplus
          If I had to guess, I think there are probably 2 to 4 serious bidders already in.
          Good Guesses.

          2500 Bidder 1
          27500 SCP transparant automated bid
          30250 Bidder 2
          33275 SCP transparant automated bid
          36603 Bidder3
          40263 SCP transparant automated bid
          44289 Bidder 4
          48718 SCP transparant automated bid
          53590 ?


          OR

          2500 Steve
          27500 SCP transparant automated bid
          30250 Madonna
          33275 SCP transparant automated bid
          36603 Madonna
          40263 SCP transparant automated bid
          44289 Madonna
          48718 SCP transparant automated bid
          53590 ?
          Regards,
          Joel S.
          joelsabi @ gmail.com
          Wanted: Alex Rodriguez Game Used Items and other unique artifacts, 1992 thru 1998 only. From High School to Early Mariners.

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          • Buster
            Banned
            • Jan 2010
            • 40

            #50
            Re: ARod's 500th HR ball going to Auction

            Originally posted by joelsabi
            Good Guesses.

            2500 Bidder 1
            27500 SCP transparant automated bid
            30250 Bidder 2
            33275 SCP transparant automated bid
            36603 Bidder3
            40263 SCP transparant automated bid
            44289 Bidder 4
            48718 SCP transparant automated bid
            53590 ?


            OR

            2500 Steve
            27500 SCP transparant automated bid
            30250 Madonna
            33275 SCP transparant automated bid
            36603 Madonna
            40263 SCP transparant automated bid
            44289 Madonna
            48718 SCP transparant automated bid
            53590 ?

            LOL.

            TOO FUNNY joelsabi!!!

            The point in running the ball right up to the bid prior to taking it over the limit is two-fold:

            -It means on the very next bid, with days to go (while it was there), the ball sells.

            -And, having "activity" on the ball leaves the impression there is serious interest in it, even if there may not be so much. Sometimes, that may be all it takes to get that one extra bid from a potential bidder who may NOT be able to bid anymore, so he will make that ONE last desperation bid that ends up winning the ball.

            Wouldn't it SUCK for the winner if the only legitimate bids on the ball was maybe, let's say, the first three, and the rest were shills to get it to the point of making Alex Rodriguez's desired reserve on one potential last bid? That means, in reality, the winning bidder just paid an "A-Rod reserve" premium to win it, NOT an honest market-made price determined by a legit auction process.

            We'll never know.

            That said, I have no idea which scenario is correct. It may very well be that there are 8 different bidders and that they are positioned to light this rocket once the "initial" bids end, and the after hours bids are made. That's where the rubber meets the road anyways.

            I would say if this ball only receives ONE more bid, and that bid wins it AND places it over the reserve, then my opinion may have been right on. But my gut tells me this ball goes substantially higher, maybe even breaking the $100,000 level......maybe.

            Definately going to be fun to watch.

            Buster

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            • Buster
              Banned
              • Jan 2010
              • 40

              #51
              Re: ARod's 500th HR ball going to Auction

              OK!!!

              Just checked.......now 9 bids....$53,600......RESERVE NOT MET!

              Now I'm thinking it a $100,000 reserve.

              WOW.


              Buster

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              • joelsabi
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2005
                • 3073

                #52
                Re: ARod's 500th HR ball going to Auction

                Originally posted by Buster
                OK!!!

                Just checked.......now 9 bids....$53,600......RESERVE NOT MET!

                Now I'm thinking it a $100,000 reserve.

                WOW.


                Buster
                Update

                25000 Steve
                27500 SCP transparant automated bid
                30250 Madonna
                33275 SCP transparant automated bid
                36603 Madonna
                40263 SCP transparant automated bid
                44289 Madonna
                48718 SCP transparant automated bid
                53590 Madonna
                Regards,
                Joel S.
                joelsabi @ gmail.com
                Wanted: Alex Rodriguez Game Used Items and other unique artifacts, 1992 thru 1998 only. From High School to Early Mariners.

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                • allstarsplus
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2005
                  • 3707

                  #53
                  Re: ARod's 500th HR ball going to Auction

                  Originally posted by Buster
                  OK!!!

                  Just checked.......now 9 bids....$53,600......RESERVE NOT MET!

                  Now I'm thinking it a $100,000 reserve.

                  WOW.


                  Buster
                  Do you think they are reading this thread? We are helping provide advertising! LOL

                  Could just be Steve pushing it closer to $85,000!

                  Go Suicide_Squeeze!!!!!
                  Regards,
                  Andrew Lang
                  AllstarsPlus@aol.com
                  202-716-8500

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                  • joelsabi
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2005
                    • 3073

                    #54
                    Re: ARod's 500th HR ball going to Auction

                    Originally posted by Buster
                    LOL.

                    TOO FUNNY joelsabi!!!

                    The point in running the ball right up to the bid prior to taking it over the limit is two-fold:

                    -It means on the very next bid, with days to go (while it was there), the ball sells.

                    -And, having "activity" on the ball leaves the impression there is serious interest in it, even if there may not be so much. Sometimes, that may be all it takes to get that one extra bid from a potential bidder who may NOT be able to bid anymore, so he will make that ONE last desperation bid that ends up winning the ball.

                    Wouldn't it SUCK for the winner if the only legitimate bids on the ball was maybe, let's say, the first three, and the rest were shills to get it to the point of making Alex Rodriguez's desired reserve on one potential last bid? That means, in reality, the winning bidder just paid an "A-Rod reserve" premium to win it, NOT an honest market-made price determined by a legit auction process.

                    We'll never know.

                    That said, I have no idea which scenario is correct. It may very well be that there are 8 different bidders and that they are positioned to light this rocket once the "initial" bids end, and the after hours bids are made. That's where the rubber meets the road anyways.

                    I would say if this ball only receives ONE more bid, and that bid wins it AND places it over the reserve, then my opinion may have been right on. But my gut tells me this ball goes substantially higher, maybe even breaking the $100,000 level......maybe.

                    Definately going to be fun to watch.

                    Buster
                    do you think it would fetch more if it was a live auction? at least you would know who your competition was.
                    Regards,
                    Joel S.
                    joelsabi @ gmail.com
                    Wanted: Alex Rodriguez Game Used Items and other unique artifacts, 1992 thru 1998 only. From High School to Early Mariners.

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                    • Buster
                      Banned
                      • Jan 2010
                      • 40

                      #55
                      Re: ARod's 500th HR ball going to Auction

                      Originally posted by joelsabi
                      do you think it would fetch more if it was a live auction? at least you would know who your competition was.
                      Good question, but I don't believe so.

                      Anybody who has the means to bid on an item like this has a following of friends who would let them know about it in the strange event that they missed it, I would think.

                      Buster

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                      • joelsabi
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2005
                        • 3073

                        #56
                        Re: ARod's 500th HR ball going to Auction

                        Originally posted by Buster
                        Good question, but I don't believe so.

                        Anybody who has the means to bid on an item like this has a following of friends who would let them know about it in the strange event that they missed it, I would think.

                        Buster
                        Buster,

                        im curious what is the format of the auction, live or internet, for the other home run baseballs that were on that 2003 list and others you mentioned. let me see if i can find some info.
                        Regards,
                        Joel S.
                        joelsabi @ gmail.com
                        Wanted: Alex Rodriguez Game Used Items and other unique artifacts, 1992 thru 1998 only. From High School to Early Mariners.

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                        • joelsabi
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2005
                          • 3073

                          #57
                          Re: ARod's 500th HR ball going to Auction

                          8 hours until extended bidding time.

                          $58,954 and hasnt meet the reserve.
                          Regards,
                          Joel S.
                          joelsabi @ gmail.com
                          Wanted: Alex Rodriguez Game Used Items and other unique artifacts, 1992 thru 1998 only. From High School to Early Mariners.

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                          • allstarsplus
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2005
                            • 3707

                            #58
                            Re: ARod's 500th HR ball going to Auction

                            Originally posted by allstarsplus
                            Wow guys, thanks for pointing out the "Reserve Not Met". I didn't notice it before.

                            Also, if I am reading the rules properly, the 8 bids don't have to be 8 different distinct bidders. Do you agree?

                            Current Bidding (Reserve Not Met)
                            Minimum Bid: $25,000
                            Current Bid: $48,721
                            Number of Bids: 8

                            -
                            Now with 2 hours remaining:

                            Current Bidding (Reserve Not Met)Minimum Bid:$25,000Current Bid:$71,335Number of Bids:13

                            Regards,
                            Andrew Lang
                            AllstarsPlus@aol.com
                            202-716-8500

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                            • LWMM
                              Senior Member
                              • Jul 2006
                              • 298

                              #59
                              Re: ARod's 500th HR ball going to Auction

                              $86,316 with 15 bids in the extended period, and has met the reserve.

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                              • joelsabi
                                Senior Member
                                • Aug 2005
                                • 3073

                                #60
                                Re: ARod's 500th HR ball going to Auction

                                Originally posted by allstarsplus
                                Now with 2 hours remaining:

                                Current Bidding (Reserve Not Met)Minimum Bid:$25,000Current Bid:$71,335Number of Bids:13

                                http://www.scpauctionsite.com/LotDetail.aspx?lotid=552
                                if youre online there 5 minute left on extended period time and they havent met reserve. the ball might not sell. someone could get lucky and make a last minute bid if the next bid hits the reserve.
                                Regards,
                                Joel S.
                                joelsabi @ gmail.com
                                Wanted: Alex Rodriguez Game Used Items and other unique artifacts, 1992 thru 1998 only. From High School to Early Mariners.

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