Another Bo Jackson Jersey come on!!!!

[trsent]

Re: Another Bo Jackson Jersey come on!!!!

Here are some previous links about similar jerseys:

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=1490&highlight=jackson+1989

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=1556&highlight=jackson+1989

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=991&highlight=jackson+1989

[hblakewolf]

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Joel-
Even for you, this post is out in left field. What in the world are you referencing?

I suggest you do your homework before simply making some type of off the wall response. I did not own, buy or sell the green Ripken, however, have discussed it several times with Dan Derlith, the owner. Dan contacted the dealer he bought it from, and asked for his money back. The dealer refused. He has tried to obtain a phone number for Lampson, however, has not been able to. Dan, please contact me-I will put you in touch with an individual who has Lampson's contact info.

Joel, I suggest you stick to responding to the Eddie Munster type posts-these whimsical threads seems to be right up your alley, rather then trying to constantly defend the various dealers and auction houses. Your keen insight about your poker blazers and hair style really prove insightful to those of us collecting game used equipment.

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

So, the guy has made a few mistakes that have been brought up day after day on this forum. Eric makes it clear the forum has rules that even if the guy has written 50,000 letters that we have issues with the items, the seller (or in this case auction house) must be contacted with your concerns before making accusations that the item is not genuine.

Howard, when are you going to stop mentioning some Cal Ripken St. Patrick's day jersey or will you take that one to your grave because you lost so much money over Lou writing a letter for an item that none of us can verify was ever worn?

How much did you lose again on that transaction?

[sylbry]

Re: Another Bo Jackson Jersey come on!!!!

The same seller of the previous two 1989 set 2 Bo jerseys that sold on ebay earlier this year is also selling the current one on ebay.

I wonder how many he has?

[trsent]

Re: Another Bo Jackson Jersey come on!!!!

Joel-
Even for you, this post is out in left field. What in the world are you referencing?

I suggest you do your homework before simply making some type of off the wall response. I did not own, buy or sell the green Ripken, however, have discussed it several times with Dan Derlith, the owner. Dan contacted the dealer he bought it from, and asked for his money back. The dealer refused. He has tried to obtain a phone number for Lampson, however, has not been able to. Dan, please contact me-I will put you in touch with an individual who has Lampson's contact info.

Joel, I suggest you stick to responding to the Eddie Munster type posts-these whimsical threads seems to be right up your alley, rather then trying to constantly defend the various dealers and auction houses. Your keen insight about your poker blazers and hair style really prove insightful to those of us collecting game used equipment.

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

Howard, get off of your cloud.

You have mentioned Lou Lampson and this Green St. Patrick's Day jersey how many times now? Then you reference a different discussion because you have been beating a dead horse for how long now?

Truth is I could care less about Lou Lampson's authentication practices as I have never bought anything with his letter. You seem so bent on mentioning every questionable jersey the guy has ever written a letter for every chance you get it needs a rest.

In the meantime, I am not defending Lou Lampson in this discussion, I am just mentioning that you in your most abusive methods, miss the point that I was just making it clear that you like to mention the same articles of dispute over and over again about this authenticator every chance you get and it is getting stale.

I cannot believe the auction house in question for this "rare" jersey cannot provide a refund or at least have the owner and authenticator discuss the item in question. Sounds like if I spent my money with such results I would be calling The People's Court myself. (Do you like that transfer of views?)

So, how many more threads are you going to mention the famous St. Pats jersey in?

[hblakewolf]

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Joel-
Let me respond by each paragraph:

Howard, get off of your cloud.

You have mentioned Lou Lampson and this Green St. Patrick's Day jersey how many times now?Joel-I have directed quite a few threads to this particular jersey and likewise, Lou Lampson. Then you reference a different discussion because you have been beating a dead horse for how long now? I have been offered, and seen dozens of completely fake jerseys with Lampsons LOA for about 5 years.

Truth is I could care less about Lou Lampson's authentication practices as I have never bought anything with his letter. Does it bother you at all that novice and new collectors are depending on LOA's in order to determine if an item should be purchased? You seem so bent on mentioning every questionable jersey the guy has ever written a letter for every chance you get it needs a rest. Not every jersey, just those bogus or less than perfect jerseys currently being offered in auctions and Ebay with his LOA

In the meantime, I am not defending Lou Lampson in this discussion, I am just mentioning that you in your most abusive methods, miss the point that I was just making it clear that you like to mention the same articles of dispute over and over again about this authenticator every chance you get and it is getting stale. See above-I will continue to bring focus to those individuals in the "hobby" who take no responsibilty or ownership in the LOA's they write. MEARS also writes LOA's, however, provides a money back guarantee and a contact phone number, should an issue be discovered.

I cannot believe the auction house in question for this "rare" jersey cannot provide a refund or at least have the owner and authenticator discuss the item in question. How does one get in touch with Lampson? Sounds like if I spent my money with such results I would be calling The People's Court myself. (Do you like that transfer of views?) Is a lawyer willing to help Dan Derlith out and represent him and his fake Ripken jersey in such a manner?

So, how many more threads are you going to mention the famous St. Pats jersey in?

I'll continue to reference this particular jersey and/or other jerseys that are not real with Lampson's LOA as needed.

Joel, I'm not a policeman, however, Lampson or any authenticator needs to be accountable. He writes his worthless LOA's and then, has no accountabilty at a later date. Maybe if you were stuck with a $4,000 fake Ripken jersey (or an O's minor league jersey being passed off a a Baltimore jersey) that has a Lampson LOA you might be able to understand this issue a bit more. From the previous Forum posts by others, it appears that the value, or lack of, of a Lamspon LOA is well understood. I can only hope that the various auction houses and other collectors also understand this, and don't base their opinions about authenticity of an item just on Lampson's LOA (or any LOA for that matter)

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

[trsent]

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Howard, are you really brain dead?

I agree with your point about Lou Lampson's letters needing to be accountable for a questionable jersey such as the one you have mentioned.

My point from the start is you mention that jersey every chance you get. Give it a rest. If the jersey's current owner has a desire, they should file a complaint or lawsuit in the proper state or federal legal court. Otherwise, I guess you can continue to remind us every chance you get that this item exists.

So, what steps do you take next to have Lou Lampson take some accountability for his authentications? I know you personally do not buy items without doing your own homework. I see people mention that they will never buy an item with a Lou Lampson LOA. I personally like your theory, don't buy anything without doing your own research.

So, does mentioning the same jersey over and over again every thread you can add it to help the situation or just become redundant?

My question is what steps must be taken to have the auction houses that use the services of Lou Lampson (and in the case of Vintage because they are not willing to pay MEARS for their quality service anymore) to have them offer some responsibility if an item is discovered to have issues?

I would say the point is clear - Lou Lampson has to stand behind his letters or they are useless. So, that point has been determined already, so how do you go about changing his system?

By the way, every time someone is burned in the world I do not go on the defense for them. Recently I was burned for just under $25,000.00 by an individual. I have to eat the transaction because of my error in judgment and I do not have anyone mentioning it for me over and over again. I am a grown man (with a child's brain) who lives with his decisions and though often I profit on my decisions, when I am wrong I eat my losses like a man.

In the case you keep repeating every chance you get, the owner of the item has to stand up for them-self already. I believe your side of the story sounds like a judge needs to review the situation already because you and I cannot solve this one ourselves.

[hblakewolf]

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Joel-

Is it possible for you to any more naive?

I learned long ago that the squeaky wheel does indeed get the grease, thus, my continued focus on this subject.

Your point about the owners of questionable Lampson items (Dan Derlith) standing up for themselves is correct, however, you completely missed the mark about one crucial area (maybe (as you note) your “child size brain” overdosed on CoCo Puffs this morning and are preventing you from thinking clearly, or at all). How do you propose to let all of the unsuspecting collectors know that their item and the Lampson LOA is worthless? These are the new collectors, or those who purchase an item without doing their homework? Joel, can these people stand up for themselves? What if their item is tucked away for several years, then, it is determined to be fake? Is the auction house still in business? Lampson still living in Basking ridge, New Jersey? Your current woes about loosing a large sum of money will no doubt be experienced by a good number in our hobby.

Any ideas?

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

[CollectGU]

Re: Another Bo Jackson Jersey come on!!!!

Howard,

Enough already on the St. P's jersey...You make yourself appear very childish when you bring it up in EVERY thread on the board that has nothing to do with that subject. I suggest you start a new thread every time you would like to speak about this about that subject. Your contempt for Lou and his authentication skills is well known...Can we move on now? I'm sure you'll respond by ripping me for defending Lou, but I'm not so much defending Lou as I am asking you to take the needle off the broken record you keep playing over and over and over......

[trsent]

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Howard, do not comment on what I eat, it is none of your business.

You ruined a nice debate with another stupid comment.

I can't believe you assumed I ate Co-Co Puffs ever, mind your business on what I eat because it is not relevant to the topic which is a serious issue but you are just being an ass.

And don't comment about the size of my brain (or my manhood) until you meet me in person. Once again you ruin a debate being a real jerk focusing on putting me down instead of discussing the topic at hand.

Sorry Dan has a questionable jersey that the auction house and authenticator will not stand behind. It's about time he filed legal papers with the proper divisions of the legal system in the United States because if the item is without a doubt not legitimate then the last owner of the item should be responsible for making good on the issue.

Your constant mentioning of it every time someone asks about an item with a Lampson letter is just insane. I bet the guy has written 10,000 letters in the last few years. Sure, he is going to make mistakes, but as much as I wish to educate the novice collectors, the one who has the item that has come into question should proceed to make a point or the seller and authenticator will continue to take advantage of a weak system.

Do you think posting about it on Game Used Universe day after day will get the job done because it hasn't yet?

Next time you post, do not talk about my eating habits or brain size, that is what you do when you are wrong, you pick on issues to belittle me and it is out of line.

[hblakewolf]

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Joel-Do you actually know what you post from day to day, hour to hour? Earlier today, you wrote in a related post about this thread, "I am a grown man (with a child's brain) who lives with his decisions and though often I profit on my decisions, when I am wrong I eat my losses like a man.

When I quote you, you now respond with, " You ruined a nice debate with another stupid comment.And don't comment about the size of my brain (or my manhood) until you meet me in person. Once again you ruin a debate being a real jerk focusing on putting me down instead of discussing the topic at hand.

Next time you post, do not talk about my eating habits or brain size, that is what you do when you are wrong, you pick on issues to belittle me and it is out of line."

Joel, I strongly suggest you keep a printed copy of each post you send, and review them on a regular basis not only before making new posts/threads, but also to avoid this type of embarrassment in the future.

Likewise, let's try to keep the subject matter related to game used equipment, not your hair styles, blazers or brain matter.

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

[trsent]

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Howard, again, as the previous post from another user in this thread. You ruin your valid point by making posts such as your last few.

You start to lose the debate and you then have to critize me for what I eat and the size of my brain, which you have never seen. These topics are none of your business, thus making as ass of yourself and your once very valid topic of debate.

[both-teams-played-hard]

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You have mentioned Lou Lampson and this Green St. Patrick's Day jersey how many times now?

[Eric]

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Amazing- it's both funny and not funny at the same time. Don't know if I have ever experienced that.
Eric

[trsent]

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OMG - Have you found the photo that has been on everyone's mind?

[Eric]

Re: Another Bo Jackson Jersey come on!!!!

It appears he made the photo that's been on everyone's mind.
Eric