Anybody ever purchase an item and have the seller refuse to sell?

[yankees506]

Re: Anybody ever purchase an item and have the seller refuse to sell?

no offense, but that's just crazy talk and makes no sense whatsoever...



sure you are, you just don't know it - you would be just as powerless to do anything about as anyone else.



you have that backwards my friend, you're the one that would have to travel to the seller's state in order to file your small claims complaint. if you tried filing in your state the seller would just have it successfully dismissed given jurisdiction limitations.

so, again, tell me how you would successfully get this bat. be specific - tell me how, before ever again resting or being content, you would successfully get your hands on this bat. you couldn't - not if the seller didn't want to give it up.

the bottom line is legal recourse is not an option in such a situation, at least not a viable (i.e, economically feasible) option. folks love to say "i'll sue" at the drop of a hat - sounds tough, sounds like they mean business. but in most small dollar amount cases, it's all bark and no bite - and most ebay sellers know it.

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I dont sell any of my items so i dont know why im feeling people taking offence, and sir you may want to check your facts. but this is not about personal feelings, my opinion was simply that if you decide to sell an item via the auction format you have decided to let others tell you what they will pay for your item, and i dont think its right for a seller to get my hopes up and then pull the rug from under me. If i win an auction it is mine, if not then why is there ebay or any other auction format anyway??? I have never seen a major action house with a disclaimer that "if you win an auction it is not yours unless we are happy with the price". Just set a reserve and thats the only way i would understand. And we all know that ebay is big flea market, you win some and you lose a bunch. If i do sell anything i think its safer to stick with a bin.

[gingi79]

Re: Anybody ever purchase an item and have the seller refuse to sell?

I've sold maybe a thousand autos plus some other items in the past year. I had the mail lose exactly 1 item. I've had exactly 1 non-payer. And I've had 2 idiots who couldn't read and decided to slam me with negatives.

Ken, I just had to say you haven't been blessed, you've dealt with the Saints, Arch-Angels, Cherubs and maybe even Jesus himself. 1000 sales and 1 non-bidder in a year?
Holy cow! That's incredible!
I have had dozens of non-bidders, deadbeats and liars in my time and that's hundreds of items over a 10 year period, man! Good for you, I'm jealous.

Now back to our regularly scheduled complaining already in progress.

[aeneas01]

Re: Anybody ever purchase an item and have the seller refuse to sell?

Its clear that if someone is so unconcerned with what they are selling that they would put a $35 price tag on a $350 item or $5 for $5000, then they shouldnt have the item to begin with.

no offense, but that's just crazy talk and makes no sense whatsoever...

Im not the person a seller would want this "error" to happen to.

sure you are, you just don't know it - you would be just as powerless to do anything about as anyone else.

There is a thing called small claims court and all id have to do is give the proof and the seller would have to show up where the claim was made, so even if you live in LA and i live in NY i think the seller would just find it more economical to send the item.

you have that backwards my friend, you're the one that would have to travel to the seller's state in order to file your small claims complaint. if you tried filing in your state the seller would just have it successfully dismissed given jurisdiction limitations.

so, again, tell me how you would successfully get this bat. be specific - tell me how, before ever again resting or being content, you would successfully get your hands on this bat. you couldn't - not if the seller didn't want to give it up.

the bottom line is legal recourse is not an option in such a situation, at least not a viable (i.e, economically feasible) option. folks love to say "i'll sue" at the drop of a hat - sounds tough, sounds like they mean business. but in most small dollar amount cases, it's all bark and no bite - and most ebay sellers know it.

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[yankees506]

Re: Anybody ever purchase an item and have the seller refuse to sell?

[quote=eisenreich8;203067]Members of this forum are human and would be inclined to make human errors. The point is most eBayers are NOT members of this forum. There is more than a dash of dirtbag in the eBay community, and ethics is a confusing term in relation to many eBayers and in life in general.

In other words, if you dropped your wallet in a room full of 100 GUU forum members, I firmly believe you would have an excellent chance of having it returned to you. If you dropped your wallet in a room full of eBayers, strangers, card dealers, your high school reunion, etc etc., well, good luck.

Well said and agreed

[eisenreich8]

Re: Anybody ever purchase an item and have the seller refuse to sell?

Im just a person who wont stand for the old bait and switch. I have seen sellers on ebay do this kind of thing to get traffic into their ebay stores and i think its terrible. I dont think the members on this forum would have such brain freezes and not know how much they are listing items for. Also we where talking about all kinds of auctions not just buy it now options. So if i list an arod gu bat and it sells for $100 can i just tell the buyer, sorry try again? Thats not very ethical, as far as being banned, legal your wayyy off and that was kind of a curveball

Members of this forum are human and would be inclined to make human errors. The point is most eBayers are NOT members of this forum. There is more than a dash of dirtbag in the eBay community, and ethics is a confusing term in relation to many eBayers and in life in general.

In other words, if you dropped your wallet in a room full of 100 GUU forum members, I firmly believe you would have an excellent chance of having it returned to you. If you dropped your wallet in a room full of eBayers, strangers, card dealers, your high school reunion, etc etc., well, good luck.

I, too, don't count my chickens before they're hatched. When the item arrives at my office (to keep the wife's suspicions at bay) I see if I got a decent deal.

I once listed an expensive emerald ring on Ebay for my wife and just plain dumbed out, did not put a reserve. This stuff happens. A woman emailed us right away and mentioned the lack of a reserve. She could have, but did not, take advantage of our mistake.

I am glad you apparently were raised with ethical principles, as was I. But now, at the age of 50, I am just a wee bit more cynical (and a damn sight more forgiving) when it comes to things like GU items, or Pez, or NASCAR diecast, or whatever else one would collect.

Grace and patience can be conditioned into one with age and experience. Don't drop your expectations of yourself, but don't try to reform the world as you will just buy yourself a whopping dose of frustration and discouragement. Don't forget, eBay is a relatively new phenomenon and people are constantly coming and going, and many, many members perhaps do not have the agility with setting up auctions as you possess or expect. Or the integrity that you seek.

I had a guy buy a $250 fish finder from me a few months ago and he emailed me after he won the auction to claim that he had just lost his job. Was I upset? Yes, for about 30 seconds. But I had a second chance offer and that person accepted the deal. The guy who backed out? It was just his BID, not cash in my hand. Not the real deal. Just his bid. Fantasy. So, the check I received in place of his bid was what I sold it for.

It's just eBay. It feeds your interest/addiction/hobby and is a wonderful way to accumulate anything. How in God's name did we ever put a set of cards together before 1997 or so? Travel from card shop to card shop and show to show, eating up your weekends on elusive searches. Now it's the click of a mouse. That, I believe, has entitled people to feel that they can never be screwed or betrayed or hustled. It ain't gonna happen.

[earlywynnfan]

Re: Anybody ever purchase an item and have the seller refuse to sell?

Wow. Yankees that is extreme. After reading your posts I am done playing devil's advocate and going into the let it go camp (which the two times it has happened to me I have done anyway and one time when the item was a Dominque Wilkens basketball the seller gave me a refund plus a free Dominque Wilkins autographed photo for my troubles which was very cool). If I were you I would safeguard my Ebay user id because everyone on here probably will add you to their blocked bidder list otherwise.

Funny, I was just about to ask Yankees for his ebay handle so I could block him! On the other hand, it's refreshing to finally meet someone who has never made a mistake in his life.

I keep reading about all the trauma over ebay, and I wonder if I've been blessed. I've sold maybe a thousand autos plus some other items in the past year. I had the mail lose exactly 1 item. I've had exactly 1 non-payer. And I've had 2 idiots who couldn't read and decided to slam me with negatives. On the other hand I've had 3 items returned, one because PSA deemed it a forgery (which made me laugh because it came from a large lot with a blanket LOA from -- wait for it -- PSA!), one because the buyer didn't want it and I didn't feel like arguing, and one because I didn't describe it as well as I should've. Overall, I'm quite happy with the ebay experience so far.

Oh, yeah, and I had one buyer I had to refund money to because I have a newly decorated ball, and yes, it's "priceless" to me!

Ken
earlywynnfan5@hotmail.com

[yankees506]

Re: Anybody ever purchase an item and have the seller refuse to sell?

Im just a person who wont stand for the old bait and switch. I have seen sellers on ebay do this kind of thing to get traffic into their ebay stores and i think its terrible. I dont think the members on this forum would have such brain freezes and not know how much they are listing items for. Also we where talking about all kinds of auctions not just buy it now options. So if i list an arod gu bat and it sells for $100 can i just tell the buyer, sorry try again? Thats not very ethical, as far as being banned, legal your wayyy off and that was kind of a curveball

[skipcarayislegend]

Re: Anybody ever purchase an item and have the seller refuse to sell?

If I were you I would safeguard my Ebay user id because everyone on here probably will add you to their blocked bidder list otherwise.

+1

[legaleagle92481]

Re: Anybody ever purchase an item and have the seller refuse to sell?

Wow. Yankees that is extreme. After reading your posts I am done playing devil's advocate and going into the let it go camp (which the two times it has happened to me I have done anyway and one time when the item was a Dominque Wilkens basketball the seller gave me a refund plus a free Dominque Wilkins autographed photo for my troubles which was very cool). If I were you I would safeguard my Ebay user id because everyone on here probably will add you to their blocked bidder list otherwise.

[skipcarayislegend]

Re: Anybody ever purchase an item and have the seller refuse to sell?

Its clear that if someone is so unconcerned with what they are selling that they would put a $35 price tag on a $350 item or $5 for $5000, then they shouldnt have the item to begin with. Im not the person a seller would want this "error" to happen to. There is a thing called small claims court and all id have to do is give the proof and the seller would have to show up where the claim was made, so even if you live in LA and i live in NY i think the seller would just find it more economical to send the item.

Wow.

[STLHAMMER32]

Re: Anybody ever purchase an item and have the seller refuse to sell?

Its clear that if someone is so unconcerned with what they are selling that they would put a $35 price tag on a $350 item or $5 for $5000, then they shouldnt have the item to begin with. Im not the person a seller would want this "error" to happen to. There is a thing called small claims court and all id have to do is give the proof and the seller would have to show up where the claim was made, so even if you live in LA and i live in NY i think the seller would just find it more economical to send the item.

While winning the case could be simple if you want to take the time to go through the process but actually getting that item is a different story.

[yankees506]

Re: Anybody ever purchase an item and have the seller refuse to sell?

Its clear that if someone is so unconcerned with what they are selling that they would put a $35 price tag on a $350 item or $5 for $5000, then they shouldnt have the item to begin with. Im not the person a seller would want this "error" to happen to. There is a thing called small claims court and all id have to do is give the proof and the seller would have to show up where the claim was made, so even if you live in LA and i live in NY i think the seller would just find it more economical to send the item.

[skipcarayislegend]

Re: Anybody ever purchase an item and have the seller refuse to sell?

We're talking about sports memorabilia here, which is why it's not a huge deal for me at the end of the day. There are more important things in life to get worked up about. I get the frustration of "winning" something and not getting it. I just don't get the whole "I won't sleep until I get what I want" mentality here. It's a little overboard. It's not a kidney, it's a cracked bat.

STLHAMMER32 makes a good point too. I've lost track of the number of non-payers I've had to put up with since the feedback system changed. Totally annoying bunch. What about them? Should I pursue my $50 at all costs? Not much difference there, imo. And not a lot can be done about that either.

[legaleagle92481]

Re: Anybody ever purchase an item and have the seller refuse to sell?

You're missing the point. Bottom line is that people make mistakes and that's what likely happened here. The guy obviously did NOT want to sell it for what it sold for. It was an error. Get over it and move on.

If I jump on a $5 BIN for a g/u Pujols jersey that should've been $5,000 and the seller explains the error to me, I'll rest just fine. Yeah I'll be a little disappointed, but big deal. Put yourself in the seller's shoes. I seriously doubt you'd be quick to give away $500 for $50, etc.

You guys are too forgiving of sellers. It is the seller's responsibility to make sure the entire listing is accurate including the price before posting it. And the seller should take the loss if there was an error made. Any of us who have sold on Ebay unless we have used reserves and high starting bids has taken a loss at some point. Personally, I auctioned off four marquee items with 25% going to Haiti relief with $9.99 starting bids and incurred losses of 25-75% on each item but I went through with each transaction because it was my obligation to. I had the items listed on here at the same time and the day after the auction ended a member offered to buy one of the items at the price I had listed on here which was 2x what it went for at the auction but i turned him down.

If the shoe was on the other foot how forgiving would the seller be? For example you enter the wrong bid amount or misread the item description or just can no longer afford the item.

[STLHAMMER32]

Re: Anybody ever purchase an item and have the seller refuse to sell?

What about looking at the situation from another perspective. It is very hard to go a week without having a nonpayer on ebay. It is just something i have learned to deal with and accept it as part of the ebay experience. I never get excited about winning an item either until it is in my hands. I have won several very very cheap items that should have sold for much more than my winning bid and I would estimate 60% of the time I actually get the item and the other 40% I get some weird excuse or flat out told it can't be sold that cheap. It is extremely frustrating but part of the ebay experience.