Grey Flannel Carlton Jersey

[sportscentury]

Re: Grey Flannel Carlton Jersey

After talking with Mr. Alpert, I'm going to leave Joel's posts in the thread. Thanks Joel for offering to help in this area, but as we agreed perhaps you should no longer respond to this thread.
Eric

So............. I take it I should look elsewhere for my favorite song lyrics? Okay, I will hit up some other threads.

Reid

[trsent]

Re: Grey Flannel Carlton Jersey

So............. I take it I should look elsewhere for my favorite song lyrics? Okay, I will hit up some other threads.

Reid

Eric, I would like the record to show that I still wish you would edit and remove my posts as requested above, but there is no point for me to continue. I also want the record to show that I contacted Eric about this thread and I was not disciplined to no longer post about the topic at top. It was my decision for the better sleeping at nights of myself and Howard Wolf.

As for Mr. Fontaine, all the showing of records does is make me wanna dance....

Last dance, last chance for love
Yes, it's my last chance, for romance tonight
I need you by me, beside me, to guide me
To hold me, to scold me
'Cause when I'm bad I'm so, so bad

So let's dance the last dance
Let's dance the last dance
Let's dance this last dance tonight

Last dance, last chance for love
Yes, it's my last chance, for romance tonight
I need you by me, beside me, to guide me
To hold me, to scold me
'Cause when I'm bad I'm so, so bad

So let's dance the last dance
Let's dance the last dance
Let's dance this last dance tonight

Oh, I need you by me
To guide me, to guide me
To hold me, to scold me
'Cause when I'm bad I'm so, so bad

So, come on baby, dance that dance
Come on baby, dance that dance
Come on baby, let's dance tonight

[kingjammy24]

Re: Grey Flannel Carlton Jersey

howard,
a few questions:

- from your description, i take it you believe this was an original, legit carlton jersey that was sent down to the minors and then had the nob restored. the pictures indicate that the phillies logo, button area, and manufacturer's tag all show a huge amount of puckering yet the numbers on the back show almost none. am i not seeing things correctly or is that true? if it's true, then are the numbers on the back also not original?

- can you describe how the c & a are incorrectly arched? i understand the NOB is a standard vertical arch. to me, the c,a,o, and n all look properly arched so i'd like to know what i'm missing. (the t however looks condensed. notice how it's thinner). what's incorrect about the angles of the c and a? they look to be the same as the o and n? should the angles be steeper, etc? can you a post a pic of they should look?

re: the nameplate. you'd think ghost stitching would be visible unless the new nameplate was slightly larger to intentionally cover over the old stitch holes.

for anyone interested, below are 2 examples of vertically arched lettering and 2 examples of a standard arch. both have an arch, but the vertical arch means all the letters are straight/not angled. the standard arch angles each letter. a good vertical arch is difficult to do. a standard arch on a jersey that should have had a vertical arch sometimes indicates the nob was improperly restored.



rudy.

[hblakewolf]

Re: Grey Flannel Carlton Jersey

Rudy-
The #'s/P all show a ton of use. I have attached a photo of my Carlton road. Note how all of the letters are the same width, and likewise, make a perfect arch. The C is correctly spaced/arched, etc. Maybe you can work your magic and superimpose my plate over the other.

Hope this helps.

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

[norristrophy]

Re: Grey Flannel Carlton Jersey

If a car salesman tongue and cheek asked you if you found a job yet (because I see you have nothing better to do all day) I know I'd go to another car lot. When a major auction house did this to you personally, you kept coming back for more.

It's tongue "in" cheek and a car salesman asking a potential buyer if they have a job seems to be a fair question given that the items they are selling potentially require significant income. That being said "Driver 8" is the best REM song. Peace.

[kingjammy24]

Re: Grey Flannel Carlton Jersey

howard,

thanks for your reply. i do see the issue with the C now. i believe the C has actually been cut correctly but sewn on an incorrectly angle/
crookedly. without changing it's cut, i've simply rotated the angle of the C and it appears to be much more correct:



your carlton pic definitely helped as it illustrated how tight and flawless a vertical arch is supposed to look. now i know what to look for in vertical arch nobs. i still maintain that the T is a condensed style, which was typically used to save space when lettering very long names. the t is noticeably thinner than the rest of the letters.

rudy.

[sportscentury]

Re: Grey Flannel Carlton Jersey

Forum members,

I want to acknowledge that Grey Flannel removed this lot. I contacted them this past Sunday and they responded to me in kind on the same day. Today I see that the lot has been removed. Perhaps they will reinstate the lot with an updated description, I don't know. But it should be recognized that they took timely action to correct the situation.

Reid

...also...

Rudy,

If the letters are "real" nameplate letters (i.e., if they were cut for nameplates for real game jerseys), I would bet that your point about the "T" is correct. However, based on my close inspection of the jersey when it was in my possession, I couldn't help but wonder whether these letters were cut after the fact in order to make up the nameplate. I say this because they don't match other letters from other Phillies jerseys I've owned from that era. With that said, if they were cut after the fact, you'd think that they would match the arch pattern that Howard and you have so elegantly displayed.

In addition, there are two names written in the neck collar. One name is "Davis" and the other is less legible (see the attached scan). It can only be concluded that two minor leaguers used this jersey after the original nameplate was stripped from it and it was sent down to the minors (as was already noted, the Phillies religiously did this with their jerseys at the end of each season during the pre-1980s). As Howard said, it is a real Carlton shirt (and I actually like the shirt) but it is hard to know how much of the wear on the shirt came from Carlton (a pitcher) versus the two minor leaguers who used the shirt after it left MLB.

Reid