Future of "photo matching" will be questioned

[jake33]

Re: Future of "photo matching" will be questioned

Yes, i assume it was a google or yahoo search judging by the quality of the printed off photo, photo match, style match whatever, it is acceptable to the buyer...

[Eric]

Re: Future of "photo matching" will be questioned

If you saw a photo of an untucked Baldelli jersey with no extra length- it sounds like you're describing a Style Match and not a Photo Match. A photo match means you are looking at the exact same jersey pictured in the photo. To see it's of the same length does not mean it's the same one in the picture. A photo match would show matching marks, stains, threads alignment of lettering. Doesn't sound like there's proof of that.

Also- you wrote earlier- "I got a photo match that steve sent me off a yahoo or google search, i printed it off and sent it with the jersey"

Sounds like you printed it off your computer. Is that not the case?

Eric

[jake33]

Re: Future of "photo matching" will be questioned

Eric, I asked steve about your problem and on the tomlinson jersey, and he gave me the run around about it and was point fingers at everyone else, and i didn't know I was obligated to give you commentary on my discussion with him. Personally, i left thinking the guy was a jackass just because of how he deals with things but does that mean the baldelli isn't real?

The only thing I questioned on the jersey was that there wan't extra length, the photo I had was only a hard copy and it had rocco with the jersey untucked showing no extra length. I answered all the questions to the buyer and they are fine with it and I can wash my hands that the jersey is genuine.

[Eric]

Re: Future of "photo matching" will be questioned

Eric, quit hounding my ass over this, I got a photo match that steve sent me off a yahoo or google search, i printed it off and sent it with the jersey, that is fine that you have a major issue with whatever comes out from steve at auth sports. I did my homework on the jersey, so did the buyer, if you are trying to imply that what I sold was fake, you only have speculation and it is founded on your past experience with the compay, yes I think Steve is an a****** too, if that makes you happy...

I'm sorry Jake, but i'm not going to stop hounding you over this. You came on this forum and were trying to sell an item from a questionable source. You then put it on ebay. I sent you an email to make sure you were selling what you thought you were selling so you didn't have problems down the road.

At first, you were shocked at my experience with Authentic Sports and asked if I had gotten my money back. Seemed like the natural and geniune response.

Then we had some more back and forth and you said you were going to talk to Steve at Authentic Sports. Then you stopped answering my emails.

It seemed you were waiting until the auction ended and you had a buyer. I kept asking you after the auction what you found out from authentic sports. You said he was able to photomatch the jersey so everything was fine.

I asked if you meant "style match" or "photo match." You said photo match and then stopped answering me again when I asked for the photo. There seems to be no distinguishing characteristics of the jersey so I wanted to know how he was able to photomatch the jersey and you said you no longer had the jersey.

However, above you said Steve sent you a photo match which you printed and sent to the buyer. So the fact that you don't have the jersey is meaningless. You can show us the photomatch, and we can compare it to the ebay photos, which I have saved.

I hope you weren't just looking to unload a possibly problematic jersey on an unsuspecting buyer. That goes against everything we stand for on this forum.

Jake, I tried to give you the information to help you learn for yourself what you had bought. Instead, you seemed to want to get it to the buyer and be done with it. If I am wrong here, please correct me. I'd be interested in hearing your point of view here.

Thanks
Eric

[both-teams-played-hard]

Re: Future of "photo matching" will be questioned

every doctored photo has an undoctored original somewhere.

I am offering a handsome reward for a "photo-match" of this jersey. Heck, a "photo-reference" or "style-match" is acceptable.

[Swoboda4]

Re: Future of "photo matching" will be questioned

The future of photomatching will have to be videotaping or the acquiring of libraries of televised games of players of your interest to eliminate photo tampering which by the below article is widespread in all fields. :

http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/doctored-war-photos-ignite-controversy/20060809171309990022?ncid=NWS00010000000001

[jake33]

Re: Future of "photo matching" will be questioned

Eric, quit hounding my ass over this, I got a photo match that steve sent me off a yahoo or google search, i printed it off and sent it with the jersey, that is fine that you have a major issue with whatever comes out from steve at auth sports. I did my homework on the jersey, so did the buyer, if you are trying to imply that what I sold was fake, you only have speculation and it is founded on your past experience with the compay, yes I think Steve is an a****** too, if that makes you happy...

[skipcareyisfat]

Re: Future of "photo matching" will be questioned

I think that Carlton jersey that Howard was posting about would be a good example. Someone could easily take a picture of that nameplate and put it on a photo. Same with iffy numbers. Not saying this could be done with every jersey, but I think many would be an easy canvas for "creativity".

I can see that. On the other hand, someone could take a jersey to ball field, put it on, slide headfirst into second base, then take a picture of the jersey and paste the marks onto a game photo. Maybe I should keep these ideas to myself.

[Eric]

Re: Future of "photo matching" will be questioned

Steve from auth sports got the photo for me

Jake-

What specifically made it a photomatch?
In your ebay auction it didn't look like there were many distinguishing characteristics on the jersey.Any chance you can post a copy of the photomatch photo here?

Here's what you sold on ebay for $399.05
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Here's the listing

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=012&item=220011597707&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

ERIC

[sportscentury]

Re: Future of "photo matching" will be questioned

anyone wanna buy a pujols jersey? it's hammered with use, grass stains on the shoulder, dirt on front. it's from the game where he had a beard and big, gold pirate hoop earring. rudy.

Beautiful!

[otismalibu]

Re: Future of "photo matching" will be questioned

Yes, but how often do modern jerseys get used enough to be repaired? And how many of them are sold unwashed? Not many. Altering a photo of a pinstriped jersey would near impossible, too, I would think. Overall, I still believe it would be difficult to pull off. But maybe it's just wishful thinking!!!

I think that Carlton jersey that Howard was posting about would be a good example. Someone could easily take a picture of that nameplate and put it on a photo. Same with iffy numbers. Not saying this could be done with every jersey, but I think many would be an easy canvas for "creativity".

[skipcareyisfat]

Re: Future of "photo matching" will be questioned

I would think the PhotoShop experts would have no problem with this. Just work from the jersey, back to the photo. Take the photo of the stain, repair, etc. and then clone that onto the photo of your choice. Voila! Photo match.

Yes, but how often do modern jerseys get used enough to be repaired? And how many of them are sold unwashed? Not many. Altering a photo of a pinstriped jersey would near impossible, too, I would think. Overall, I still believe it would be difficult to pull off. But maybe it's just wishful thinking!!!

[otismalibu]

Re: Future of "photo matching" will be questioned

I would think the PhotoShop experts would have no problem with this. Just work from the jersey, back to the photo. Take the photo of the stain, repair, etc. and then clone that onto the photo of your choice. Voila! Photo match.

[jake33]

Re: Future of "photo matching" will be questioned

Steve from auth sports got the photo for me

[kingjammy24]

Re: Future of "photo matching" will be questioned

anyone wanna buy a pujols jersey? it's hammered with use, grass stains on the shoulder, dirt on front. it's from the game where he had a beard and big, gold pirate hoop earring.



seriously though, i have little doubt that the actual production of any sort of doctored photo would be trivial for someone with the right skills.

if you're concerned about doctored "photo matches", then just ensure you know the details & origins of the photo being provided. every doctored photo has an undoctored original somewhere.

rudy.