Grey Flannel Auction on ebay ......

[kingjammy24]

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if it helps any, bill henderson's guide states "1981 is the first year that the Mets are issued team BP jerseys". what a funny coincidence that several people who've studied mets jerseys all seem to be listing the exact same year.

rudy.

[trsent]

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Much "ado" about nothing? Joel that's your M.O.

Don't play the "don't like it-don't buy it" card...if that is your logic, then this forum ceases to exist. Did you see the photo I posted of Willie in pinstripes taking BP? Getty's dates are OFTEN wrong by years, not just days. The Mets didn't use Batting practice jerseys before 1981. THE FREAKING END.

Ok, so did you email Grey Flannel (who is traveling this weekend) to tell them to correct this item? I was asking for proof, but it doesn't appear to exist.

[both-teams-played-hard]

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This is really becoming too much ado about nothing

Much "ado" about nothing? Joel that's your M.O.

Don't play the "don't like it-don't buy it" card...if that is your logic, then this forum ceases to exist. Did you see the photo I posted of Willie in pinstripes taking BP? Getty's dates are OFTEN wrong by years, not just days. The Mets didn't use Batting practice jerseys before 1981. THE FREAKING END.

[trsent]

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Usually, when a picture is dated January 1, 19XX on Getty, it is from that general era of that season. This is really becoming too much ado about nothing that has been proved to be in error except for personal opinions, which do not justify pulling the lot.

I understand the theory may be right, but proof is needed to back it up, not just views. Don't say "I challenge you, Grey Flannel, to photo-match the item." They won't help you there.

You brought up the issue, and you have to prove it wrong.

Then again, if you don't like it, don't buy it, right?

[Eric]

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Kingman played for the Mets in 75, 76, part of 77, 81, 82 and 83.

[LHG39]

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1981 style

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1982 style

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picture from spring 75

Was there another blue jersey in 75?

You cannot go by dates in Getty Images. They are notoriously inaccurate, especially for older images. Do you really think those images of Kingman are from Jan 1 1975 and Jan 1 1978? He wan't even traded to the Mets until Feb 1975. I am fairly certain that is really a picture from 1981.

[nate]

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1981 style


1982 style


picture from spring 75

Was there another blue jersey in 75?

[LHG39]

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This is about the best source on Mets jerseys out there. It confirms my 1981 claim.

http://www.ultimatemets.com/uniforms.html

[LHG39]

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So your claim is that Grey Flannel is intentionally selling this item misrepresented trying to defraud the public? You claim they are trying to take advantage of the uninformed, so I would think you are claiming they know the error and want to admit it.

I just figured if you could offer some evidence it would help the claim so maybe I can help you have the item pulled if evidence is shown to back up your claim.

I would challenge GF to show me one picture of the mets wearing a Blue batting pratice jersey any time circa 1973. Shouldn't the onus be on them to show that this is a 1973 ish BP jersey. I have no recollection nor did I ever see the Mets wear a BP jersey prior to approximately 1981. If they did, then someone show a picture confirming it.

Perhaps the deception is not intentional. Maybe their thinking is "we got it from a reliable source, it looks authentic, Willie only played for the Mets in 1972 and 1973, so it must be circa 1973"

Maybe it is not intentional deception, but they certainly did no research on this one. Ask any Met fan around about this one.

[trsent]

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Photos to back up my claim that this jersey is NOT from 1973? That would be kind of hard to prove a negative. Others have agreed with me that the Mets did not wear this style until the early 80s. If Willie was indeed banned until 1985 then this jersey probably is not even team issued. It is likely just a batting practice jersey made up to be a WIllie Mays and he autographed it.

I think it is extremely irresponsible for a company of the stature of GF to call this a circa 1973 jersey when it most definitely is not. Pure case of trying to take advantage of the uninformed.

So your claim is that Grey Flannel is intentionally selling this item misrepresented trying to defraud the public? You claim they are trying to take advantage of the uninformed, so I would think you are claiming they know the error and want to admit it.

I just figured if you could offer some evidence it would help the claim so maybe I can help you have the item pulled if evidence is shown to back up your claim.

[LHG39]

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Do you have any photos to back up your claim?

Photos to back up my claim that this jersey is NOT from 1973? That would be kind of hard to prove a negative. Others have agreed with me that the Mets did not wear this style until the early 80s. If Willie was indeed banned until 1985 then this jersey probably is not even team issued. It is likely just a batting practice jersey made up to be a WIllie Mays and he autographed it.

I think it is extremely irresponsible for a company of the stature of GF to call this a circa 1973 jersey when it most definitely is not. Pure case of trying to take advantage of the uninformed.

[nate]

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The thread was opened on Sept 3rd and jerseys12 joined Sept 3rd to defend the jersey.......hmmmm.

[both-teams-played-hard]

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I apologize for the chronic posting....GOOGLE rules the world!
cut&pasted from ultimatemets.com:

1981
The Mets begin to use "batting practice jerseys," also referred to at the time as "warmups." ("Batting practice jerseys" will not be extensively documented, as they are not part of the "game" uniform, and there have been so many variations over the years that it would take up an undue amount of space to document each variation and design. Nevertheless, it is significant to note when teams began using them regularly).

[both-teams-played-hard]

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Willie's batting practice jersey (1973)


GFC's batting practice jersey

[both-teams-played-hard]

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Did Mays EVER work as a coach for the Mets. EVER?

Mays did indeed work as a coach for the Mets from 1974-1979. The Mets did not wear this style game jersey during those years. I would still like to know the history of BP jerseys.