Seller admits jersey not game used

[trsent]

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Robert, if the seller left an incorrect title but added to the description, I believe that is fine based on eBay's policies. I do not know every detail, but if an error is made and a bid has been placed all the seller has to do it make it clear somewhere in the listing of the error and there should be no issues.

If you are truly still concerned, I'd contact the proper legal authorities.

I know it would be best for the seller to end the auction and relist the item properly described, but that is not always done. I do not tell people how to run their business, I try, but I find no one listens.

[otismalibu]

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I wasn't watching this auction, but I don't think you can change the title once a bid has been placed.

[trsent]

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I wasn't watching this auction, but I don't think you can change the title once a bid has been placed.

Greg, you are correct, you can only change the auction description once a bid has been placed. This also includes answering questions through the eBay system, which I previously mentioned doesn't allow for the use of quotations. You have an option to post the question and answer for all to see.

I'll go back now and look at the auction again.

[trsent]

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On Sep-11-06 at 18:58:04 PDT, seller added the following information:


This information I received could be true?

In 1989, 1990 and 1991, a handful of top players had tagged versions of retail jerseys made (most were autographed) by a now-defunct East Coast mega-dealer. Though not signed, these 1990 home Jefferies fall into that category, and were not worn by nor issued to him.

Thank you

This information was added by the seller in good faith. There were two bids ($99.00 and the high bid of $100.00) placed a day after this information was added. Bidsnipe programs are not an excuse since eBay doesn't support them, which means if you placed a Snipe and then the additional information was added you are still responsible since your bid was placed after the information was added.

If the buyer has an issue they should take it up with the seller. From everything read it is clear to me that Dave Medima is correct with his view that the seller is not a game used expert as many of us are. They were given good information (from someone on this forum?) and added it to their description.

Someone paid $100.00 for what may have been a game used jersey, but it appears to have been a team issued style jersey. If they are happy with their buy, why should we continue this thread?

Everything appears Kosher to me.

[TNTtoys]

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I agree that all's well that ends well here. The high bidder bought something that is a notch above a retail authentic. For starters, a 15-year old retail authentic Rawlings jersey in perfect shape is probably worth at least $100. Add on accurate lettering and numbering, which most customizers charge $50 & up for, I think that the buyer should be considerably happy with their purchase. Had they (and others) believed that it is a gamer, it would probably have gone much much higher.

[34swtns]

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Like the man said, she couldn't change the title once bids had been placed. She added the addendum to the discription..... that should be enough. Bases covered, in my opinion. I'd like to say more about how some people constantly feel the need to split hairs but I'm gonna bite my tongue this time.

[Swoboda4]

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I started this thread and I guess I can ask Eric to end it. This topic began because I saw a questionable ebay game used jersey,with details that suggest otherwise( than its game used heading). Dave Miedema saw the same jersey and believed it not to be game used and contacted the seller in regard to it. The problem continued because the auction was not ended by the seller after receiving professional advise that the jersey was believed to be not game used. We've all seen auctions ended early by a seller it should have been done. I and many of us would NOT have allowed ourselves the benefit of continuing the auction under a game used heading at this point and just adding the information:"some believe this not real-can it be true,etc?" is ,after someone like Dave Miedema consults with you-(to his credit by the way) disingenuous.My first thread in regard to this topic is pretty benign and straight foward. How I became a bad guy,even from Dave,is something I hope doesn't prevent others from alerting us when they see a questionable auction.

The auction should have been ended and re-listed properly as I ask Eric to mercifully end this thread.
Robert

[trsent]

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The auction should have been ended and re-listed properly as I ask Eric to mercifully end this thread.
Robert

Robert, I am no problems with your concerns, but it is not your or our job to tell people how to run their eBay business. The seller made a decision to continue their auction with new information clearly added to the auction.

Why should they have ended their auction? Because the title was misleading? They already had bids and exposure, and the two final bidders saw the new information before placing their bids.

If this really bothers you, there are thousands of intentionally misleading auction titles on eBay you can police, this auction was not intentionally misleading.

Please, if you want this thread ended, stop blaming a naive seller who was honest when notified of an error.

[jessicawinters]

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I do NOT believe that you, Robert is "telling people how to run their Ebay business," but you are asking too much of this new seller. You wanted her to commit to the strictest rules of this forum and do everything exactly by the book. I do not think that she knew that it was such a great transgression in using the GU heading. When she learned of new information, she honestly posted them. She felt that it was sufficient, and ending the auction was not neccessary. And a lot of us here feel the same way. When knowledgeable users of this forum are backing her, then she should be cut some slack.

[sportsfan100]

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Hello, This is sportsfan100 and my name is CINDY and I am a women.
I see I have made it to this forum with a start of negativity.
I first would like to Thank Dave, Joel and my new friend for you help and support. I have joined this forum to speak my mind and to let you know who I am. I have never written or spoken to anyone who has said they have spoken to me before. I had just meet Dave a few weeks before, and he was so wonderful and supportive to help me figure out the items that I have allready Listed . I Had know Idea Dave is an EXPERT till I read it in the forum.

I believe that Dave is a Angel watching over me with all his help and support and just loved sports and jerseys like my cousin. Real Men Like Dave and Joel don't have to brag and attack. They use their brain and common sense.
I have no idea what most of the items I'm selling. That's why I'm selling it.
No other court approved sellers will deal with his memoribilia because they don't have the slightest idea what it is, he just has too much. The courts request me to sell it all ,after passing all the background checks they did on me.
Cooperstown wanted $20,000 just to fly out here and the start to tell me what this stuff is.
Yes, Robert you should know how ebay works with their ad before you attack.
I can't change the tittle or ad into the main description once a bid is placed or add quotation marks.. Dave sent me the message and I clipped and pasted it. If I had known that DAVE is an expert and 100% right, I would have pulled the ad even with losting all the ebay listing fees.
My ebay ID sportsfan100 was started 8 years ago when I wanted to sell all the sportscards I had collected. I sold old SF Seals baseball memoribilia for a friend, but he told me what it was. I'm just a regular working person with very little to none knowledge of whats happening today in sports collecting. But,Thanks to Dave My Baseball 101 Teacher I'm Learning.
I had know idea that my cousin had collected over 1000 jerseys, now you can see why everyone else ran. My ad states AS IS- No Returns To keep the flakes away. I stand up for what I say in my ads, any problem. I'll make it right. My Feedback speaks for itself 100% positive which we all know is hard to do. Thank You to my new friends on GUF for your support.
Dave and Joel- Thank you for being my ANGEL
Too the ones that attacked me.. I am all Woman

[otismalibu]

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Silver lining = Joel met a woman

[Swoboda4]

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Cindy I get the feeling you're really a nice person as your 100% feedback suggests. I hope you've read my very first comment on this topic which is not as bad as it sounds as we approach comment#30. I would love to be able to read Dave's complete e-mail to you in regard to this jersey because it's being suggested there's a misunderstanding on what he said and how you updated it, at least by me. This forum discusses game used items(where ever they may be)and more often than not the troubles that come with it. There's alot of people who are taking advantage of this hobby and the retail jersey you innocently listed as game used set off bells that's all. Oh,and I don't" take delight in ripping people from all backgrounds" as Dave suggested through an intermediary. Cindy,all woman,welcome.

[trsent]

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Silver lining = Joel met a woman

Greg, kind of makes me think of a Jill Sobule song. I have a version of the song when she did a live duet with Warren Zevon. Pretty cool. Warren could pull off any duet, even to a song about a girl kissing a girl.

Anyway, I have never had any communication with the seller in discussion, only Dave Medima. It appears from everything found in this thread that the seller was unaware the item was not game used. Upon being informed by a known expert (who she didn't even know was well regarded in the industry at the time) that there was a question, she edited the auction to add more information to the description.

The jersey then sold for a measly $100.00.

Case closed. I cannot believe someone else asked to read the full email that Dave Medima sent the seller. Why does everyone have to be looked at as a criminal? This appears to be an honest error that was properly corrected according to the eBay guidelines.

[sportsfan100]

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Good Morning everyone, Today will be a brighter day
Robert, what you saw in the added in descripition is the complete email that Dave had sent me. One or 2 liners as he is very busy and only when he's able to assist. Dave never mention his line of work to me. At one point I had someone email me that one of my jerseys was not game used, two people e-mail me saying I found a real game used one. The person who said it was not a GU jersey came in and bidded real high. So, who was I to believe, I believed the 2 yes votes. Then Dave found me and Not knowing Dave is an EXPERT(I'm so lucky) I was Not totally sure because of the tagging. I clipped and pasted what Dave had said and add the "could be" to protect the information I recieved and let you the other expert decide. I take lots of pictures and you can super size them. I try to give as much information I can, mainly all the flaws.

Anyway, I have never had any communication with Joel or any member on GUF, just reading what he has writen above. The only person I have ever communicated with is Dave Medima. Dave did not have to come forward and say anything. He could of just let me hanging out in this forum as a conartist. Being a Standup Man, he sent Joel a e-mail which he posted with his name out there. We all know Dave could have went into a hole and said nothing.
Joel ,with Dave's permission posted it. As I read Joels Replys, I look to you Joel as my other angel guiding me as what you have writen, is how I felt and could only do. You too could have said nothing.

I'd like you to know the buyer of the 1995 Lee Smith Jersey , met LEE the day after recieving his Jersey. Lee was so excited to see his jersey again, he Authenticed the Jersey for him and autograph the back. Go Ask Him!
If The man That bought Jefferies is not happy, will work it out or I'd return his funds.. 100.00 million don't matter. Mistakes do happen

There are a few crooks on ebay and It is good for everyone GUF to watch over each other. If I make a mistake again please let me know, My Angel might be busy...It is very much apprecated!

Yes, I was very hurt to find me here in GUF, mistakes do happen. It's all Good now. Everything in my listing is true and this is all for his 16 year old daughter.
We can all learn from this. Have a LIVING TRUST,LABLE everything and give the history. Don't make your family go crazy OK INSANE
Thank You to everyone for your love and support.
TTFN,
Cindy

[Eric]

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Funny story- I too think of Joel as my angel guiding me...
Eric