Another John Franco jersey on ebay in an odd size?

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Joel:
You're as wrong on this as Shrub was on WMD in Iraq. Now, of course, at this point we all realize he was just trying to prove he is smarter than his daddy. What, exactly, is your agenda in making such utterly wrong statements as the one highlighted above?
Things got bad when Russell and Rawlings got booted by MLB, causing a flood of pro-cut blanks to reach the hands of certain unscrupulous sellers. There's a Katrina-size s**t storm heading our way in 2007 if and when all the teams switch to cool base jerseys, and dump all their leftover inventory of conventional jerseys. Statements like the one highlighted above merely provide cover for the jerseyterrorists like the faking faker in Fla.

Mark
bigtime39@aol.com

Mark, I would recommend when you post to use statements that make sense to everyone, instead of glorifying people and natural disasters that took lives of innocent people in the past. It doesn't do your argument good to use war and national disasters to make your point about pro-cut, team issued jerseys.

I do not know who this "faking faker" is, but your statement that the jersey had to be made for the team, who determined that?

I am not covering for the seller, I just don't know where that "Game Issued" means that it had to come from the team. I always thought "Game Issued" and "Pro-Cut" meant the same as "Game Ready" which basically means the same style the player wears.

NBA pro-cut jerseys have been available for years that are sold as Game Issued and they never hit the locker room.

By the way, the previous comments by Jason make no sense to this discussion. I find it funny that someone who posted misleading information about New York Yankee tagging is now telling people to do their homework.

If a seller is selling a "Team Issued" item and they do not state that the item was in the locker room or equipment room, we all know it never was. How? Because you'd ask for more bids and money if you stated the item came right from the team so you would mention it in your description.

[suave1477]

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Trent I never posted anything misleading about Yankees tagging and I do find it funny that you think Game Issued and Pro Cut are the same.

Totally different words, yet you think they are the same

Here are some helpful definitions:

Game Issued - Jersey actually manufactured specifically for Game Play.

Pro Cut - A Jersey customized to a players normal wearing habits.

Here is an example if I buy a Pedro Martinez Jersey from a Sporting Goods store and I know Pedro likes his Sleeves cut So I cut the sleeves on My Jersey can I now call this Pro Cut sure why not I cut it just like Pedro would have wanted it. Can I call it Game Issued NOOOOO it wasn't made at all for Pedro.

[Eric]

Re: Another John Franco jersey on ebay in an odd size?

Joel and Jason

The two of you are no longer allowed to refer to each other, post about each other, respond to each other or talk to each other on the forum.

Nothing good comes from it and it only annoys everyone

Eric

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Trent I never posted anything misleading about Yankees tagging and I do find it funny that you think Game Issued and Pro Cut are the same.

Totally different words, yet you think they are the same

Here are some helpful definitions:

Game Issued - Jersey actually manufactured specifically for Game Play.

Pro Cut - A Jersey customized to a players normal wearing habits.

Here is an example if I buy a Pedro Martinez Jersey from a Sporting Goods store and I know Pedro likes his Sleeves cut So I cut the sleeves on My Jersey can I now call this Pro Cut sure why not I cut it just like Pedro would have wanted it. Can I call it Game Issued NOOOOO it wasn't made at all for Pedro.

Look at it this way, your definitions are nice, but in a court of law they would never hold up. Why? Because there is no legal background to have those terms hold up.

If someone cuts the sleeves on their Pedro jersey, then it can be sold as "Game Issued", "Game Ready" or "Game Style" because that is what it has become. I do not buy or sell these myself, except for Yankees jersey that are generally not available unless they are "Game Issued" as generally, modern "Game Used" Yankees jersey do not exist unless bought from Steiner.

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Joel and Jason

The two of you are no longer allowed to refer to each other, post about each other, respond to each other or talk to each other on the forum.

Nothing good comes from it and it only annoys everyone

Eric

Wow, so when he posts in a thread I cannot comment and vice versa?

We sent our last posts at the same time, and I really do not see any harm in our current debate.

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Here are some sample auctions on eBay for items being sold in the title as both "Pro Cut" and "Game Issued":

http://cgi.ebay.com/ALLEN-IVERSON-GAME-ISSUED-PRO-CUT-2001-02-76ERS-JERSEY_W0QQitemZ180027817654QQihZ008QQcategoryZ50135QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/PEJA-STOJAKOVIC-GAME-ISSUED-KINGS-PRO-CUT-USA_W0QQitemZ220028029248QQihZ012QQcategoryZ50135QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/BARRY-BONDS-2001-ALL-STAR-GAME-ISSUED-PRO-CUT-JERSEY-48_W0QQitemZ120034063725QQihZ002QQcategoryZ24909QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Game-Worn-Redskins-HODGE-Jersey-Pro-Cut-and-Team-Issued_W0QQitemZ330029564742QQihZ014QQcategoryZ86829QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/1998-Paul-Oneill-Game-Issued-Pro-Cut-Yankees-Jersey-54_W0QQitemZ270035772689QQihZ017QQcategoryZ24904QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

It seems to me that other people find these two terms to mean the same thing.

[Eric]

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Doesn't matter. You guys have abused the board and everyone's patience enough with your back and forth arguing.
The two of you children have been given a permanent time out from each other.
Eric

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Doesn't matter. You guys have abused the board and everyone's patience enough with your back and forth arguing.
The two of you children have been given a permanent time out from each other.
Eric

Eric, I am sorry my input on this forum is not appreciated.

Too many people on this forum want to be witch hunters with no one to speak up for the other side.

Have fun with your forum where people abuse the unknowing, because until you apologize for this unnecessary post I will no longer contribute to this forum. My bookmarks will be removed right now and everyone can celebrate as they chase honest people (yes, many dishonest also) who make mistakes without ever a response of reason.

If I was looking for a "time out" I would attend pre-school. I do not appreciate your wording, as I take it as a personal insult. Too bad I am the only one on this forum (Reid is a close second) to stand up for the continual idiocy that comes from some of the posts that may lead an honest person in the wrong direction.

I'll be awaiting your private email or instant message.

[Eric]

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Joel, Jason and everyone,

I'll remind you again of the forum rule which states

No Personal Attacks. Do not harass, belittle, threaten or “flame” another member. Do not call other members names, even in jest. You may dispute opinions and facts, but do so with facts and not by taking it to a personal level. This forum is intended to operate in a positive environment. Please help us achieve that goal.

Too many threads have turned into personal issues between members. The purpose of every post in every thread should be to share information and better the hobby.

There is no room for the other stuff.

Joel, if you took what I said as offensive, that was not my intention. It was my intention to point out that you and Jason were continuing to act like children with your fighting. How many times have I told the two of you to just not talk to each other?

Attacks keep people from reading the forum, and I know for a fact will keep others from posting on the forum. It has to stop.

Don't get me wrong, a difference of opinion is a great thing, it's when it becomes personal that becomes tiresome.

I am happy to talk more about this here or at ecky3@aol.com
Eric

[ChrisCavalier]

Re: Another John Franco jersey on ebay in an odd size?

No Personal Attacks. Do not harass, belittle, threaten or “flame” another member. Do not call other members names, even in jest. You may dispute opinions and facts, but do so with facts and not by taking it to a personal level. This forum is intended to operate in a positive environment. Please help us achieve that goal.

Too many threads have turned into personal issues between members. The purpose of every post in every thread should be to share information and better the hobby.

Hello Everyone,

I feel compelled to add one thing here. I know many of the things that go on in the hobby are frustrating and that the forum serves as an important venue for members to express their feelings. We also know that some of these issues can cause people to become emotional.

While this is understandable, we must reiterate that if you are going to participate on this forum we ask that you do so in a way that is conducive to a positive environment. As per the forum rule listed above, there is simply no way we are going to allow posts that create a negative environment and potentially prevent other members from participating because they are afraid they might get attacked as well. This site is providing tremendous value to the hobby and we will do whatever it takes to make sure a positive environment is maintained.

I just thought it would help to let everyone who considers posting on this site know where we are coming from.

If you have any questions, Eric and I are always available via email.

Sincerely,
Christopher Cavalier
CEO - Game Used Universe
chris_cavalier@gameuseduniverse.com

[Swoboda4]

Re: Another John Franco jersey on ebay in an odd size?

In November of 2005 I emailed this seller about the Henderson Mets pinstriped 2000 jersey. He told me that they are not game used or worn. He has OVER 20 Mets pinstriped 2000 jerseys. He has been trying to unload these jerseys for a while(mostly off ebay). This is no secret and HE TOLD ME THEY'RE NOT GAME USED OR WORN. See Henderson thread from last November. If we can't remember this past confirmed warning(as per forum rules-contact the seller) God help everyone else.