Altered Kobe Bryant Pro-Cut Jersey Being Advertised on eBay with D. C. Sports LOA as Game Used Rookie Jersey

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Having backread the thread, the thing that scares me the most is that, had a little bit of intelligence/common sense been used, Joel might not have uncovered this Had Ryan only waited until the august listing was purged from the ebay completed listings database, with this letter, it could have easily been put into an auction and someone would have been burned BIG time. At least (it appears) that the name font is off and someone might have caught that. But if it was right? There would be nothing, or no one, to impeach this jersey. There must be so much of this bogus stuff out there. Thank you for making this an issues and pressing it, Joel. Excellent work.

Thanks for your comments.

I didn't mention this theory as I have learned if I educate criminals it helps make their business stronger. The first thought I had when I uncovered this situation was why wouldn't they have waited as you suggested but I didn't suggest it as you did as I'm not here to educate the criminals.

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I was thinking while lying in bed that there is a paper trail to help answer some of the questions that are being asked.

Mark, Ryan and Dan - You all have text messages and email between each other about this jersey? Why don't you post these to show the history that is being disputed? Just take screenshots of any text messages or emails about this jersey and publish them on the forum. That way you can clear your name.

I would like to see proof that the jersey was sold as game used or pro-cut between Ryan and Mark. That will clear a lot up for us. Then I'd love to see the communication between Ryan and Dan including what the price was charged for the authentication and signature.

If no one has anything to hide this shouldn't be a big deal to post and at this point none of the three parties involved have given any proof they were innocent other than excuses and attacks on each other.

I'm still waiting for Dan to take the time to answer the several questions I posed asking him. Avoiding these questions raises doubt about this item and possibly others over the years from the history of game used certified items to autographs alleged to be hand signed by Kobe Bryant. Please review each post and advise.

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Email I sent just now to Dan, Mark and Ryan since they none of them have followed up on the forum in the past day:

From: Joel Alpert[mailto:joel@alpert.net]
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 12:02 AM
To: 'dceniceros248@yahoo.com'; 'klhunter@yahoo.com';'ryanjerseyb@aol.com'
Subject: Unanswered Questions Still on Game Used Universe's Forum

Hey guys, lots ofunanswered questions still waiting for answers on the Game Used Universe Forum:

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=57641&page=5

I have requestedthat all of you post the following to help clear you name as being the one inthe wrongdoing for this situation that is a major black eye to the hobby:

Post #77: “I was thinking while lying in bed thatthere is a paper trail to help answer some of the questions that are beingasked.

Mark, Ryan and Dan - You all have text messages and email between each otherabout this jersey? Why don't you post these to show the history that is beingdisputed? Just take screenshots of any text messages or emails about thisjersey and publish them on the forum. That way you can clear your name.

I would like to see proof that the jersey was sold as game used or pro-cutbetween Ryan and Mark. That will clear a lot up for us. Then I'd love to seethe communication between Ryan and Dan including what the price was charged forthe authentication and signature.

If no one has anything to hide this shouldn't be a big deal to post and at thispoint none of the three parties involved have given any proof they wereinnocent other than excuses and attacks on each other.

I'm still waiting for Dan to take the time to answer the several questions Iposed asking him. Avoiding these questions raises doubt about this item andpossibly others over the years from the history of game used certified items toautographs alleged to be hand signed by Kobe Bryant. Please review each postand advise.”

Y’allhave texted each other or emailed each other to complete these transactions? Ifyou are so innocent – Please post screenshots of these emails to Game UsedUniverse so we can see you are being honest.

Otherwise– There is a lot of industry fraud going on here and we all don’t want that.Dan has some questions that he ignored previously which lead me to believe therumors I have heard about his business practices are true and this is veryscary if it is true to the industry and who they can and can’t trust. Pleasetake the time and answer questions posed to you on the forum otherwise hidingfrom them makes us all wonder if your business and contacts are really what youhave made everyone believe. After this mistake, full disclosure shouldn’t beasking too much if you really are running an honest and fair business.

Peace.

Joel

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Sorry - My cutting and pasting sure bunches some words together - not sure why.

[DoctorLoomis]

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The heat has been turned up to an all time high......

[sportsnbikes]

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I don't collect Lakers anything but I can tell you if I ever do, I know where I WON'T be getting my jersey(s) from.

[Samets]

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This thread has it all to make a great book.

I can't wait to see the ending.

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The heat has been turned up to an all time high......

This thread has it all to make a great book.

I can't wait to see the ending.

Well, it's about 5PM Central and Mark replied to my email (I had to send it again to another email address as the email I sent it to it was returned undeliverable) and told me he will no longer be posting on Game Used Universe.

Ryan and Dan have ignored the email. If you are a trusted public figure and you are found to make a huge error authentication with a questionable autograph I would think you would take the time to respond to questions from the masses instead of avoiding the thread and my personal email.

These questions will not go away by ignoring them but by ignoring them it makes the situation look more and more as if there was something that is being hid about the whole circle of events.

[Takuleechch]

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I don't trust Mark so I'm sure the story goes deeper with him.
The email you posted from Ryan re getting names changed shows he's sketchy and Dan is probably doing some pretty big damage control lol

[jmeekins33]

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I don't collect Lakers anything but I can tell you if I ever do, I know where I WON'T be getting my jersey(s) from.

I respectfully disagree.

I've done business with DC Sports before and I've found Dan to be a man with a lot of integrity. A mistake was made but I don't think it goes any deeper than that.

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I respectfully disagree.

I've done business with DC Sports before and I've found Dan to be a man with a lot of integrity. A mistake was made but I don't think it goes any deeper than that.

A problem with this hobby is that faith is placed in certain individuals hands and when it is exposed that their operation may not be what they have made the world believe over many years people who had items from such a company then get defensive and make claims defending the authenticator and their practice.

I do not believe this is an isolated case - Dan came on here and stated he just started taking 3rd party items for authentication and when I questioned him about it he ignored the question which was don't you take 3rd party authentications for auction houses so this wouldn't be the first case someone sent him an item that he wrote a letter claiming it came from a secret and special inside Lakers source but really it was a send in from an outside source.

The autograph, which I have asked if Dan has Kobe's cell phone number to call him when someone sends in a jersey that he is able to obtain in less than a 40 day window, has been called out as not being authentic and he doesn't respond to this question.

Dan has ignored my question how much he charged Ryan for the authentication and autograph on the questionable letter as there has been a statement from Mark that Ryan was charged more than the usual $350.00 fee for such a service, about $750-$2000 was his guess. Why would the fee be so much extra and why Dan won't address this question?

Dan knows about this thread. He has posted in this thread. I was told he texted Ryan telling Ryan that he has ruined his reputation. I have emailed Dan and he has ignored it.

Why doesn't he man up and give full disclosure to all questions asked of him to prove this was an isolated incident? Instead he has gone into a shell which doesn't help clear his name. It raises questions about his practices which has me and others very concerned.

[jmeekins33]

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A problem with this hobby is that faith is placed incertain individuals hands and when it is exposed that their operation may notbe what they have made the world believe over many years people who had itemsfrom such a company then get defensive and make claims defending theauthenticator and their practice.

I can only comment on my experiences with DC Sports. I have found that Dan looks at outside items with a very skeptical eye. If you want to accuse me of "getting defensive" for sharing my experience then so be it.

[Takuleechch]

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A problem with this hobby is that faith is placed in certain individuals hands and when it is exposed that their operation may not be what they have made the world believe over many years people who had items from such a company then get defensive and make claims defending the authenticator and their practice.

That's not really fair cause every auction house makes and continues to make mistakes. Grey flannel, heritage, Goldins it's just how it goes. You support psa and they make mistakes too. It's everyone's right to defend just as much as it is to attack if something's wrong.
I'm looking forward to hearing from Dan and Ryan though

[beachpetrol]

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Dan has ignored my question how much he charged Ryan for the authentication and autograph on the questionable letter as there has been a statement from Mark that Ryan was charged more than the usual $350.00 fee for such a service, about $750-$2000 was his guess. Why would the fee be so much extra and why Dan won't address this question?

Joel, I think I know why Dan is not responding to you regarding the authentication fees. Mears, PSA, Meigray and other authenticators have a pricing scale when it comes to high end items.

Here is PSA's pricing scale: http://www.psacard.com/Fees/Autographs#batfees

Here is Mears' pricing scale: http://www.mearsonline.com/index.php...valuation-fees

Here is Meigray's pricing scale: http://www.meigray.com/edealinv/serv...D=$catParentID


Mark mentioned that Dan has a "standard" pricing for authentication/autographs. A potential rookie Kobe Bryant game used jersey is not a "standard" item. This is a high end, potentially high value item that he would have been authenticating. Don't you think Dan has every right to increase his authentication fees, based on other authenticators pricing scales? I'm thinking your witchhunt with regards to his increase in the authentication fees is going to go nowhere.

[Jags Fan Dan]

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Joel, I think I know why Dan is not responding to you regarding the authentication fees. Mears, PSA, Meigray and other authenticators have a pricing scale when it comes to high end items.

Here is PSA's pricing scale: http://www.psacard.com/Fees/Autographs#batfees

Here is Mears' pricing scale: http://www.mearsonline.com/index.php...valuation-fees

Here is Meigray's pricing scale: http://www.meigray.com/edealinv/serv...D=$catParentID


Mark mentioned that Dan has a "standard" pricing for authentication/autographs. A potential rookie Kobe Bryant game used jersey is not a "standard" item. This is a high end, potentially high value item that he would have been authenticating. Don't you think Dan has every right to increase his authentication fees, based on other authenticators pricing scales? I'm thinking your witchhunt with regards to his increase in the authentication fees is going to go nowhere.

If he has a similar pricing scale, it could easily be posted here. Seems like a lot of people are waiting to see it, among other things.