Benito Santiago Jersey on Goldin & eBay

[DeacDoug]

Re: Benito Santiago Jersey on Goldin & eBay

Rawlings jerseys distributed at season's outset during this period were tagged set 1, and those distributed at later dates were tagged set 2. Thus, the set 1 and 2 tagging does not have the traditional meaning of earlier years. There is likely more than one set 1 and set 2 for each player.

[Phil316]

Re: Benito Santiago Jersey on Goldin & eBay

If any one is seriously considering either one of the Santiago jerseys, and did their homework, one can be photo matched to a baseball card and the other is a close match to a very popular photo.

Do the footwork instead of speculating . . . .

Please feel free to post your photomatches. I would love to see them.

[justrun7]

Re: Benito Santiago Jersey on Goldin & eBay

Sorry, I should not have said that the jersey's are the exact same but that they are nearly identical. Both having the same set number and autographed in the same spot was where my confusion began. My apologies for any confusion or problems that my poor wording may have caused.

I have had Padres jersey from the 1990 season and the tagging was the same on both the home and away jerseys as on these Santiago jerseys. Does anyone know for sure if the Padres were issued multiple jersey's in their Set 2? If so, I can see both of these jerseys being legit Santiago jerseys.

[Phil316]

Re: Benito Santiago Jersey on Goldin & eBay

Here is something more confusing. That Santiago on ebay sold at Goldin auctions back in November 2013.

http://goldinauctions.com/Benito-Santiago-1990-San-Diego-Padres-Game-Worn-an-LOT6148.aspx

Here is the current offering

http://www.goldinauctions.com/1990-Benito-Santiago-Signed-and-Game-Worn-San-Diego--LOT8348.aspx

Both are different jerseys both come authenticated by Dave Miedema. Both are set 2 1990.

All 4 Padres jerseys that sold in that auction are Set 2 1990. All are signed in roughly the same spot in black pen. All show little to no wear.

http://www.goldinauctions.com/1990-Benito-Santiago-Signed-and-Game-Worn-San-Diego--LOT8348.aspx

http://goldinauctions.com/Mike-Pagliarulo-1990-Signed-Game-Worn-San-Diego-Pa-LOT6145.aspx

http://goldinauctions.com/Benito-Santiago-1990-San-Diego-Padres-Game-Worn-an-LOT6148.aspx

http://goldinauctions.com/Jack-Clark-1990-Signed-Game-Worn-San-Diego-Padres--LOT6147.aspx

I think the term "game worn/used" is used in situations where the jersey is simply team issued. If a jersey is clean and shows no wear especially from players like Gwynn, Santiago ect.... Who played hard, there is no way to prove it was worn or if it was issued. The fact that the tagging is correct does not mean it was game worn. I know that players could/can order jerseys for themselves among other things.

I also understand authenticators can be in a hurry especially if they have a mountain of items to authenticate. Sometimes it is better to take your time though and be thorough.

In closing I can only go by descriptions in auctions and pictures provided.

I am not accusing of anyone misleading or ripping people off intentionally. I love bidding and buying from auction sites. I have a few items in my collection even with Dave M letters.

[Phil316]

Re: Benito Santiago Jersey on Goldin & eBay

http://goldinauctions.com/Tony-Gwynn-1990-Signed-Game-Worn-San-Diego-Padres--LOT6133.aspx

Here is a link to the Gwynn set 2 1990. That should have been posted first in my examples of the 4 sold at Goldin.

[R. C. Walker]

Re: Benito Santiago Jersey on Goldin & eBay

Here is the card, in my opinion, matches the Santiago on eBay. As far as the one on Goldins’s, there are photos and cards that are close, but nothing definitive.

[Phil316]

Re: Benito Santiago Jersey on Goldin & eBay

Pretty close except the button placement is off.

[Phil316]

Re: Benito Santiago Jersey on Goldin & eBay

I also thought this might be a match to the ebay one.

[R. C. Walker]

Re: Benito Santiago Jersey on Goldin & eBay

Pretty close except the button placement is off.

I would agree with you on the button placement, if that were a button. But, the placement on Rawlings jerseys are set lower. If Santiago ever wore a Wilson, it would be a different story.
There has been an influx of 1990 Padres jerseys hit the market over that past six months or so both Home & Road, Set 1 & 2. All had varying degrees of use. In my opinion both Santiago’s are good.

Good Luck to whomever bids.

Rawlings

Wilson

[Phil316]

Re: Benito Santiago Jersey on Goldin & eBay

I guess we can agree ti disagree.

By the way are you the consignor of those Padres Jersey's?

[R. C. Walker]

Re: Benito Santiago Jersey on Goldin & eBay

Can't disagree with that . . . . No connection to either jersey.

PS: Would love to see your Florida examples of Santiago.

[Phil316]

Re: Benito Santiago Jersey on Goldin & eBay

I don't really post my collection online. I had a member of another forum steal a few of my pictures and try to sell the items he did not own on eBay. It was a very lo.g drawn out process to get them removed.

I would not mind if you emailed me phillipriddell at hotmail and I will send you over a few.

[Hoosier39]

Re: Benito Santiago Jersey on Goldin & eBay

I don't really post my collection online. I had a member of another forum steal a few of my pictures and try to sell the items he did not own on eBay. It was a very lo.g drawn out process to get them removed.

I would not mind if you emailed me phillipriddell at hotmail and I will send you over a few.

Well that's boring....

[sox83cubs84]

Re: Benito Santiago Jersey on Goldin & eBay

DeacDoug's explanation is right on the money. As chronological IDs, rather than what normally is a set number, there's no reason why Santiago and/or the Padres couldn't have ordered more than one after the season began. Not an excuse, just an assessment of the situations.

Dave Miedema

[Phil316]

Re: Benito Santiago Jersey on Goldin & eBay

DeacDoug's explanation is right on the money. As chronological IDs, rather than what normally is a set number, there's no reason why Santiago and/or the Padres couldn't have ordered more than one after the season began. Not an excuse, just an assessment of the situations.

Dave Miedema

Dave appreciate your reply.

In general my assessment is that authenticators perhaps authenticate sometimes more on assumption that fact. If a jersey is clean and shows no wear how can you conclude it was game worn? At best it would be team issued.

You cannot authenticate on assumption. You can only authenticate with facts. Authenticating on assumption gets you in trouble.

So whomever wins that Santiago that is currently ay auction just like the last 1990 set 2 that sold should not worry even though both showed little to no wear, both where signed in the same spot. Just like the Gwynn, Clark and Pagliarulo all signed roughly in the same spot, all 1990 set 2's and all show little to no wear.

Once again Dave I know your a stand up guy and you are doing your best. It is frustrating to watch this kind of stuff and not say anything. Hopefully you will understand my point of you.