Munson 1974 Pinstripe on Ebay

[hiramman]

New listing on ebay for a 1974 Munson Yankee jersey.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1974-THURMAN-MUNSON-GAME-WORN-PINSTRIPED-YANKEES-JERSEY_W0QQitemZ160096175021QQcategoryZ60597QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Has anyone heard of the Wilson Registered R issue the seller is talking about?

[kingjammy24]

Re: Munson 1974 Pinstripe on Ebay

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=1592

rudy.

[hblakewolf]

Re: Munson 1974 Pinstripe on Ebay

There are always exceptions to every rule, however, this is so out there........

I've sold hundreds of knit jerseys from this time frame, and have NEVER seen the registered mark located on the bottom position of the N on any 1974 or 1975 jersey.

Attached, please find one example of how the Phillies Wilson logo appears with the usual embroidery on Bowa's 1974 road jersey:



As for the other elements of this "1974 Munson" actually being correct, I suggest other Forum readers WHO ARE EXPERTS WITH yANKEES JERSEYS, such as Jim Caravello or Keith Vari, add their comments.

FYI

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

ALWAYS BUYING PHILLIES, PORTLAND BEAVERS AND PORTLAND MAVERICKS JERSEYS

[JimCaravello]

Re: Munson 1974 Pinstripe on Ebay

If you review the Seller's listing, he has a picture of the auction catalog the jersey was once listed in. I believe it was Geppi's / Kranepool's first auction if not mistaken - this jersey was pulled from the auction once it started - as I believe many people contacted Geppi's once the catalogs went out and it was clearly evident that the Wilson tag was all wrong. Like Howard, I have never seen a Wilson jersey from this era with the Registered symbol on the bottom like this. I doubt you will see any bidding on this jersey, as ( 1 ) people who will spend this kind of money on this piece know the history of the jersey and ( 2 ) its out of reach of the casual bidder who may not be knowledgeable about Wilson tags from this era AND the Seller himself is honest enough to put the facts down which will keep the causal bidder away.

I have a 79 Yankees jersey that I know is legitimate that has the Registered symbol at the top, but 78 / 79 was a transition year as Rudy has shown with the detail in his post and I am more than comfortable with my piece. 1974 is too long a period from 1978 to assume any transition or testing of new tags.

Let me know if anyone has any questions. Jim

[flaco1801]

Re: Munson 1974 Pinstripe on Ebay

that jersey lools kinda clean, being a set 1 this jersey should be a lil bit more used. thurman was a down in the dirt throwback catcher, his shirts should be like pigpens, even after a goood washing.

[kingjammy24]

Re: Munson 1974 Pinstripe on Ebay

without referring at all to this specific jersey, i thought i'd add a few bits about time gaps between tagging and use.

ordinarily, i'd accept a max. of 1 year behind on a jersey. that is, i'd accept 1989 tagging on a 1990 jersey. 2 years would just have me personally uncomfortable. 4 yrs would be ludicrous.

however, a part of me thinks that, in general, the yankees may be an anomaly. personally, i've never seen a team recycle uniforms to the extent that the yankees did in the 80s and 90s. (pretty easy to recycle when your design never changes). for almost every team, i think a 4 yr gap (from tagging to use) would be ludicrous EXCEPT for perhaps the yankees.

here is a steiner 1992-tagged matt nokes jersey that had the 1997 jackie robinson patch removed. that's a 5 yr gap!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8740527564

personally, i'd never accept a 5 yr gap from any team. the yankees may be an exception.

rudy.

[suave1477]

Re: Munson 1974 Pinstripe on Ebay

Rudy well the Yankees still havent changed for there 2007 Spring Training Opening day when they wear the Pinstripe Jerseys, some of those were recycled from 2006 and 2005.

[Eric]

Re: Munson 1974 Pinstripe on Ebay

When did the yankees use year tags near the wilson tag like that. I am only familiar with the year and set located with the name in the neck tag?

Eric

[kingjammy24]

Re: Munson 1974 Pinstripe on Ebay

more tidbits:

1973 set 2 munson jersey:

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=1637

tagging determined to be incorrect for 1973; tagging is from 1978-1985.

1973 set 1 munson jersey:

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=2455

not sure what the tagging was on that one?

i think that the odds of 1 munson having a 4 yr old tag is remote but possible. 2 (possibly 3) munsons have 4 yr old tags? why did munson seem to keep getting the runts? unless of course, it's not a coincidence and all jerseys originated from the same (inept) source.

eric, is this not how the tagging should be on a 1974 yankees gamer?:



rudy.

[kingjammy24]

Re: Munson 1974 Pinstripe on Ebay

an interesting shirt:

http://www.lelands.com/bid.aspx?auctionid=512&lot=968

a 1973 shirt with evidence that it was used in 1978. another 5 yr gap.

rudy.

[Eric]

Re: Munson 1974 Pinstripe on Ebay

But again, the year and set information on the White jersey is in the neck tag. Do we have cases of a year and set tag in the tail by the wilson label on Yankees shirts?

Eric

[kingjammy24]

Re: Munson 1974 Pinstripe on Ebay

eric,

see my pic in post #9. a year/set tag in the tail on a 1974 wilson yankees shirt.

rudy.

[Eric]

Re: Munson 1974 Pinstripe on Ebay

Your photo says 74 Set 1, the munson on ebay says 74 1. Seems odd.
Do the script styles seem to match?

Eric

[JimCaravello]

Re: Munson 1974 Pinstripe on Ebay

Guys - here is a link to my Stottlemyre Jersey from 1974 for sale. This is a road - and I know for a fact all road jerseys were tagged like this. Note that the word "Set" is in the tail. I have good friends who have 1974 jerseys that are tagged identical to this Stottlemyre.

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=6931&highlight=stottlemyre

There are also Yankees jerseys from 1978 that are tagged with the name in the collar and have just the year and set number in the tail, without the word "Set". I know - I own a Roy White from 1978 tagged this way and at one time had a Jackson tagged the same way ( road ).

Those are the only two years that I know of from the 70's where the name is stitched into the collar and the year and set number are stitched into the tail on Yankees jerseys.

I think we are losing focus a little on the Wilson symbol. I mentioned earlier that I have a 79 jersey that has the registered symbol at the top - great provenance with the jersey and it makes sense. 78 was the last year for the registered symbol at the top and this is a transition jersey. I am most comfortable with it.

The problem is that the Munson is tagged from 1974 and has a 1979 tag in the tail. If this jersey was recycled from 1974, a new Wilson tag would not have been placed into the tail. If the jersey is from 1979 or later, why would it be stitched with data from 1974?? Hmmmmmmmm........Oh, by the way - SCD Authenticated this???

This is a very good example of a forged Munson jersey............that the authenticators missed............

Jim

[JimCaravello]

Re: Munson 1974 Pinstripe on Ebay

Here's my White from 1978.........