2 Elway White 94 Throwbacks- What are the odds?

[34swtns]

Re: 2 Elway White 94 Throwbacks- What are the odds?

Regarding the Payton AMI jersey:

I've said it a hundred times already......Walter Payton only ever wore a size 42. From 1975 to 1988. First game to last game.....size 42.
This is fact, straight from the mouths of 2 former Bears equipment staffers and confirmed by a very respected Bears vintage gamer collector.
People who have bought or sold size 44's and 46's can get pissy and defensive all you want but it doesn't change the fact that if it's not a 42.....
IT'S A FAKE. Period.

I stopped alerting buyers/sellers, auction houses to this fact a long time ago. I've seen dozens of Payton "gamers" bought and sold that were nothing more than retail authentics doctored to look like gamers. Keep in mind, the Bears authentics of the 80's were EXACTLY like the gamers in every way. And Payton was the most popular Bear during this period so there are literally thousands of potential "gamers" floating around out there. But nobody wants to hear it. People refuse to believe that they've been had, and that's understandable. But it doesn't change the facts.

[lund6771]

Re: 2 Elway White 94 Throwbacks- What are the odds?

Eric...Bob Case was the consignor of the Payton jersey...I heard that from different sources who don't know each other...he was also self promoting his items before the auction started

[Eric]

Re: 2 Elway White 94 Throwbacks- What are the odds?

Who is the consignor of the Walter Payton jersey and how do you know?

[lund6771]

Re: 2 Elway White 94 Throwbacks- What are the odds?

Forgot to add another question in previous post...Since Bob Case is so respected in this hobby, I'd sure like to know why in his colorful resume on Ami's website, his tenure with California Numismatics Investments is excluded...can you please explain this to the collecting community?

[lund6771]

Re: 2 Elway White 94 Throwbacks- What are the odds?

because this thead was highjacked by you and turned into the normal pissing match where you discredit AMI because you are not allowed to bid in their auctions, ask me for answers to questions I can't answer because I don't work there and then ask me if I have the answers. here goes:

I have no idea who's walter payton jersey it was, but it had to be one of the nicest in the hobby..agree?
They pulled the notes on the Elway from what I understand because that those notes were in their back end and they feared that someone had gotten in their system...
Bob Case will help them from time to time on authentications, and he's pretty well respected by many in the hobby..Agree?

This thread is going nowhere again..So now you can come back and reply and begin the process I discussed above all over again...

Regards,
Dave

Dave..thanks for the reply I guess...

One thing that I would like to make clear to you and I won't bring it up again...I am not upset with AMI because I am not allowed to bid in their auctions...In fact, I'm not upset at all...I wouldn't give them one penny of my money and will laugh when they go bankrupt..but in the mean time I will warn people about them because of the lies and shill bidding...you might call it 'protection"

anyways, this thread took a diversion when Eric asked about AMI's auhenticators' consigning & authenticating their own items...It sure as hell is a conflict of interest and it happens all the time...so how is this hijacking ?...the Payton is a perfect example...it doesn't matter how nice it is, it's still beng consigned and authenticated by the same individual....which is called what?....CONFLICT OF INTEREST!!!!!

[CollectGU]

Re: 2 Elway White 94 Throwbacks- What are the odds?

Dave...how's the move going?

I've seen that you've "had the time" to post on other threads, but not this one...how come?

because this thead was highjacked by you and turned into the normal pissing match where you discredit AMI because you are not allowed to bid in their auctions, ask me for answers to questions I can't answer because I don't work there and then ask me if I have the answers. here goes:

I have no idea who's walter payton jersey it was, but it had to be one of the nicest in the hobby..agree?
They pulled the notes on the Elway from what I understand because that those notes were in their back end and they feared that someone had gotten in their system...
Bob Case will help them from time to time on authentications, and he's pretty well respected by many in the hobby..Agree?

This thread is going nowhere again..So now you can come back and reply and begin the process I discussed above all over again...

Regards,
Dave

[lund6771]

Re: 2 Elway White 94 Throwbacks- What are the odds?

mvandor..that's been obvious for a long time...the minute that there is conclusive evidence, Dave goes on vacation...or he's moving...blah blah blah...

anyone with a heartbeat can see the picture

[mvandor]

Re: 2 Elway White 94 Throwbacks- What are the odds?

Dave...how's the move going?

I've seen that you've "had the time" to post on other threads, but not this one...how come?

You know as well as I ole Dave only posts to defend ye olde auction houses. He obviously feels he can't spin adequately on this one.

[lund6771]

Re: 2 Elway White 94 Throwbacks- What are the odds?

Dave...how's the move going?

I've seen that you've "had the time" to post on other threads, but not this one...how come?

[lund6771]

Re: 2 Elway White 94 Throwbacks- What are the odds?

Hi Dave..

any chance that you might have found the time to get some answers to the questions posed in this thread?


Thanks!!!

[lund6771]

Re: 2 Elway White 94 Throwbacks- What are the odds?

good luck on your move!!!!...

[CollectGU]

Re: 2 Elway White 94 Throwbacks- What are the odds?

Not on vacation Pete, just closed on a new home and am now moving in and it is taking up much of my time.

Regards,
Dave

[lund6771]

Re: 2 Elway White 94 Throwbacks- What are the odds?

Thanks Eric...

I guess Dave O'Brien must have suddenly left for vacation since he hasn't responded to the questions posed to him...

[Eric]

Re: 2 Elway White 94 Throwbacks- What are the odds?

He did not say who the consignor is.

[lund6771]

Re: 2 Elway White 94 Throwbacks- What are the odds?

Hey Eric...

did he tell you who the consignor was?...or offer any other info?