ebay seller lambeauleeper and "game issued"

[beantown]

Re: ebay seller lambeauleeper and "game issued"

While we're on the subject of "team issued", "game issued", etc., with Ebay seller lambeauleeper, this Ebay seller. flipsyr doing the same thing with more vintage helmets....

http://cgi.ebay.com/1960s-NEW-ORLEANS-SAINTS-SUSPENSION-HELMET-COLLECTION_W0QQitemZ170108437546QQihZ007QQcategoryZ86828QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I have been informed by two helmet experts, that ALL these helmets this individual is selling/sold are not what they claim to be...prospective buyers beware of this sellers claims!

[mvandor]

Re: ebay seller lambeauleeper and "game issued"

While we're on the subject of "team issued", "game issued", etc., with Ebay seller lambeauleeper, this Ebay seller. flipsyrs doing the same thing with more vintage helmets....

http://cgi.ebay.com/1960s-NEW-ORLEANS-SAINTS-SUSPENSION-HELMET-COLLECTION_W0QQitemZ170108437546QQihZ007QQcategoryZ86828QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I have been informed by two helmet experts, that ALL these helmets this individual is selling/sold are not what they claim to be...prospective buyers beware of this sellers claims!

Well, my first impression of these is that they look awfully new for 40 year old helmets, but who knows, maybe the guy came across an old box of unused 1960's shells.

However, the lack of any facemasks, the identical shells, and the fresh exteriors, leads me to believe these were painted and decals applied by this guy. Perhaps he couldn't score a box of 1960's facemasks.

[kneerat]

Re: ebay seller lambeauleeper and "game issued"

Hi Howard,
Thanks for the questions... If you would like to start another thread about SCD, feel free.

The reason why we write so much about the various auction houses and the items they sell is because auctions have been such a huge part of the hobby in the past few years.
If you have any articles in particular that you would like to see in our magazine, please shoot me an email.
Eric Stangel actually wrote a column for a future issue, which we are very excited about.
Also, I have been writing about some of the more controversial issues of the hobby in my blog. You should check it out sometime.
We are in the process of adding audio and video interviews to our website, so hopefully we will be providing some things that have been missing in the past.
Also, I saw a show special for a $25 subscription to SCD. That is less than 50 cents per issue. It's true that our publication is not the same 300-page monster as it was before eBay existed, but what magazine is? Hopefully you will renew...
Regards,
chris

[Eric]

Re: ebay seller lambeauleeper and "game issued"

I would ask that we stick to the subject of this thread. Howard, if you have something to post about SCD, I would suggest starting another thread.
On a separate note, Chris, it's nice to have you chime in here. I know you're a Packers guy and I too have noticed lambeauleeper has had a lot of high-profile Packers issued pieces.
I have also read your blog, including the entry about your concern over team issued jerseys showing up elsewhere as game used. Keep up the good work.
Thanks,
Eric

[rose14]

Re: ebay seller lambeauleeper and "game issued"

Chris, I for one would like to see a report in SCD that goes into detail all of the authenticating problems with Lou Lampson and why these auction houses still use them. I know it's a double edge sword for SCD, but your publication should not turn a blind eye on what has been happening just because these auction houses buy advertising from you.

I also think SCD should do an in depth piece on the way auction houses conduct business with consigning their own items, having access to raise bidders proxy bids and most important changing or altering items in their auction without disclosing the facts of the alterations.

Thanks
Todd

[hblakewolf]

Re: ebay seller lambeauleeper and "game issued"

Chris, I for one would like to see a report in SCD that goes into detail all of the authenticating problems with Lou Lampson and why these auction houses still use them. I know it's a double edge sword for SCD, but your publication should not turn a blind eye on what has been happening just because these auction houses buy advertising from you.

I also think SCD should do an in depth piece on the way auction houses conduct business with consigning their own items, having access to raise bidders proxy bids and most important changing or altering items in their auction without disclosing the facts of the alterations.

Thanks
Todd

Todd-
Fantastic story line ideas. Personally, I think you stand a better chance of seeing the Easter Bunny in your backyard as opposed to a story on these specific troubling issues. I'd find it extremely hard to believe that SCD, with their dwindling page count and almost non-existent classified section, would ever bite the hand that feeds them (auction house advertising and revenue generated from traditional ads and catalog inserts), especially at this time. The lack of any type of reporting of controversial issues now and in the past is a clear sign that SCD does not want to jeopardize their position with their current or future auction house advertisers.

Chris, can you comment on the above and also on the possibility of following on these ideas and writing an in-depth piece on each?

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

[mvandor]

Re: ebay seller lambeauleeper and "game issued"

Todd-
Fantastic story line ideas. Personally, I think you stand a better chance of seeing the Easter Bunny in your backyard as opposed to a story on these specific troubling issues. I'd find it extremely hard to believe that SCD, with their dwindling page count and almost non-existent classified section, would ever bite the hand that feeds them (auction house advertising and revenue generated from traditional ads and catalog inserts), especially at this time. The lack of any type of reporting of controversial issues now and in the past is a clear sign that SCD does not want to jeopardize their position with their current or future auction house advertisers.

Chris, can you comment on the above and also on the possibility of following on these ideas and writing an in-depth piece on each?

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

Could you guys start your own thread as Eric asked and quit hijacking this one?

[Eric]

Re: ebay seller lambeauleeper and "game issued"

Todd-
Fantastic story line ideas. Personally, I think you stand a better chance of seeing the Easter Bunny in your backyard as opposed to a story on these specific troubling issues. I'd find it extremely hard to believe that SCD, with their dwindling page count and almost non-existent classified section, would ever bite the hand that feeds them (auction house advertising and revenue generated from traditional ads and catalog inserts), especially at this time. The lack of any type of reporting of controversial issues now and in the past is a clear sign that SCD does not want to jeopardize their position with their current or future auction house advertisers.

Chris, can you comment on the above and also on the possibility of following on these ideas and writing an in-depth piece on each?

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

Howard-
Perhaps you did not see it, but I already asked earlier in the thread if you could keep to the subject. If you would like to start a different thread, that is your choice, but let's keep one topic per thread.
Thanks
Eric

[ChrisCavalier]

Re: ebay seller lambeauleeper and "game issued"

Howard-
Perhaps you did not see it, but I already asked earlier in the thread if you could keep to the subject. If you would like to start a different thread, that is your choice, but let's keep one topic per thread.
Thanks
Eric

Let me just add that rule #12 of the forum states "No Topic Changing." This is intended to prevent the possibility of a thread getting derailed at the expense of the original poster. As stated, please feel free to start another thread if you feel there is a separate topic worth discussing.

In addition, I'd also like to welcome Chris Nerat to the forum. I have read some of his blogs and I would like to think he is attempting to address some relevant issues in the hobby. I'm also happy to see he is open to suggestions. I just ask that we keep in mind he is one person at the magazine and that the implementation of any suggestions will likely require approvals beyond just him. With that said, thanks for your willingness to listen and to potentially provide feedback to SCD.

Sincerely,
Chris Cavalier

[mvandor]

Re: ebay seller lambeauleeper and "game issued"

This ebay seller has more items up for auction, this time jerseys I'm sure people here are pretty qualified to evaluate.

Interested in opinions.

[aeneas01]

Re: ebay seller lambeauleeper and "game issued"

lambeauleeper is a crook.

no honest mistakes, no accidental overexaggetions, no unintentional misrepresentations here. this guy selects easily replicated items (vsr4 helmets for example) and lists them, represents them, as items once belonging to the player. marino, favre, vick, brees and elway helmets seem to be his favorite imitations and have sold for as much as $1,200.

btw, nice forum - one of your members told me about this community and i'm glad i found it!

[mvandor]

Re: ebay seller lambeauleeper and "game issued"

lambeauleeper is a crook.

no honest mistakes, no accidental overexaggetions, no unintentional misrepresentations here. this guy selects easily replicated items (vsr4 helmets for example) and lists them, represents them, as items once belonging to the player. marino, favre, vick, brees and elway helmets seem to be his favorite imitations and have sold for as much as $1,200.

btw, nice forum - one of your members told me about this community and i'm glad i found it!

I challenged people here to review his helmets and identify a flaw, no one did, but several are jumping up to call the guy a 'crook'.

As I indicated, I purchased an LT "game issue" throwback helmet from him a year ago after exhaustive photo comparisons. After receipt I again dug into photo comparisons. Could not find one flaw. Further, I've monitored a slew of LT "game issued" or copied helmets on ebay in that year and found easily identifiable flaws on EVERY one.

Does that prove it's legit? Nope. But if it's a copy, it's perfect in every way I've been able to examine and in ways all others have failed to replicate.

BTW, virtually none of his last batch of helmets reached reserve and sold, nor are any of his jerseys. You don't usually reserve fraudulent items or at least ones you KNOW are fraudulent. You also don't usually do such low volume.

Now, if anyone versed on jerseys would care to poke holes in his current listings, I'd be interested in hearing what you have to say.

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZlambeauleeperQQhtZ-1

[Eric]

Re: ebay seller lambeauleeper and "game issued"

It is deceptive to use the term "game issued" and then when asked about it say he has no idea about the history of the helmet.

That is a fraudulent description. You should mention something is issued or used when you know it to be so. Otherwise you are making claims you don't know to be true, which leads the buyer into thinking it's something that it is not.

Any chance you can post photos, front, back and inside of your LT helmet? I'm sure it's a perfect reproduction. I'd love to see it.

Eric

[gwh11]

Re: ebay seller lambeauleeper and "game issued"

This seller is currently offering a "VERY RARE Brett Favre 2002 "GAME ISSUED USED" jersey". In the description he states "All features are proper and consistant to Brett Favre Game Jerseys from the 2002 season". This is incorrect. Not only is the jersey not custom hemmed as he wore them for all of that season, it is the wrong size. If the seller is indeed familiar with other Favre jerseys from 2002, he certainly would've noticed that Favre wears a size 52.
Guy

[aeneas01]

Re: ebay seller lambeauleeper and "game issued"

You don't usually reserve fraudulent items or at least ones you KNOW are fraudulent. You also don't usually do such low volume.

you're kidding, right?

frankly, i find your defense of this "seller" puzzling at best and suspicious at worse. any single ebay source who claims to own and have for sale multiple "game issued" favre helmets, vick helmets, tomlinson helmets, elway helmets, marino helmets and brees helmets (to name a few) yet has no documentation nor can provide any sort of procurement history is, in my book, a crook.

here's something you might want to try - pick up the phone and give bob wick a call; he's the bolts' equipment manager and he's also a big memorabilia collector (not only are nfl equipment managers the easiest guys in an nfl organization to reach, but they are also about the nicest guys you would ever want to chat with and are always very generous with their time). anyway, give bob a call and tell him you came across a "game issued" tomlinson helmet on ebay; that you found a guy on ebay that not only has "game issued" tomlinson helmets for sale, but also has multiple copies of many present and future hall of famer "game issued" helmets as well. ask him if he thinks they are authentic.

here's a "game issued" tomlinson helmet that some poor soul purchased from lambeauleeper in march of 2006 for about $500 inclusive of s&h...