Changes at MEARS

[sammy]

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Hi Joel,

Welcome back.

We old timers on this forum sure missed you.

[Moustache Gang]

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Chris,

Thanks for pointing out the rules to Joel now that he is back again. Apparently he still must be upset that MEARS stripped him of his "MEARS certified seller" status and he feels as if he takes their side he can win them over again. His sarcastic comments on this board are not needed and Dave Bushing and I, along with you are in agreement with that as well.

Speaking of Dave, he and I just traded email back and forth. MEARS has agreed to downgrade the Krausse jersey to a A9.5 from an A10. The -.5 was deducted for the stain on the front which I pointed out.

Secondly, MEARS has agreed to update their score sheet to make scoring less subjective and more objective. This again was something that I had requested and I am glad to see, Troy, Dave and Dave move MEARS in this proactive direction. I know this move will provide MEARS with a very effective tool to complete their assessments and at the same time it will reduce the number of issues that come up with subjective grading.

Finally, Dave and I are still on polar opposites when it comes to the A8 grade on the Rollie Fingers jersey. Hopefully something can be worked out.

Sincerely,

Mark

[harpt]

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Mark,

I ask this purly out of curiosity, and am not trying to make any statement with my question. I really do wonder about people's thought processes in these situations.

Question: Why do you care what the grade is?

If you are intending to sell it, and figure it will sell for more because of the higher grade, than I get it. But is this jersey for sale (or will it be)?

If the shirt is not for sale, and you think the jersey is perfect, why do you care if one ONE OTHER PERSON in this hobby thinks it's less. It's just one person's opinion. I know this particular person carries a lot of weight in the community, but it's still just one guy's take on it.

Just my thoughts.

[allstarsplus]

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Good points, but as I keep stating, at least he is disclosing that he owns the item and his company, MEARS is authenticating it. How often does Grey Flannel (or AMI as I stated before) tell you in their auction catalog when they own the item they are selling, auctioning and authenticating?

Joel - I agree with you and this was certainly a step in the right direction with regards to full disclosure. There are plenty of nice items I bid on in the REA Auction---and I hope to win a few.

Finally, Dave and I are still on polar opposites when it comes to the A8 grade on the Rollie Fingers jersey. Hopefully something can be worked out.

I personally felt good about this until Rudy compiled the list of jerseys that were given an A10 (light use) and then Mark made a very good point about his A8 rating for light use.

If Mark's jersey was re-graded to an A10 then I would be fine with this as at least there was some consistency in the rating system

-or-

maybe someone from MEARs can email Mark with a logical answer so Mark can post it here.

Secondly, MEARS has agreed to update their score sheet to make scoring less subjective and more objective. This again was something that I had requested and I am glad to see, Troy, Dave and Dave move MEARS in this proactive direction. I know this move will provide MEARS with a very effective tool to complete their assessments and at the same time it will reduce the number of issues that come up with subjective grading.

Excellent update. There will always be that subjectivity just like the severity of a stain, but the closer their ratings can get to the a-la-carte scoring menu the less problems in the future.

Mark, I really hope you get satisfaction from this.

[trsent]

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Joel-
Please refresh yourself with the forum rules. This is clearly baiting another user.
Eric

My point is the same user complains over and over again about the same thing. Every day a new thread, adding it to any thread they can? Since coming back, it appears the forum rules are watched more closely for my posts than others. Funny, I had three sentences removed because Chris said I was promoting a business. I am watched more closely for discussing issues and why? Eric, I will email you throse three sentances right now.

Chris,

Thanks for pointing out the rules to Joel now that he is back again. Apparently he still must be upset that MEARS stripped him of his "MEARS certified seller" status and he feels as if he takes their side he can win them over again. His sarcastic comments on this board are not needed and Dave Bushing and I, along with you are in agreement with that as well.


Sincerely,

Mark

As for Mark's stupid comment, where did I ever lose my "MEARS Certified Dealer" status? Dave Grob and I have a disagreement over what the term means, but I don't even care about this term anymore, but you said it and I challenge you to show where I was stripped of any status. Please, tell me where you came up with your facts for this really stupid comment that has nothing to do with anything we were discussing.

If you think your posts made MEARS change a few grades, that is great for the industry. If you feel your Rollie Fingers jersey should be reevaluated, I would contact Troy and see about sending the jersey back for a reinspecting.

Coming onto a forum in as many places as possible and complaining about your issues is what my concern is.

[trsent]

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I think I have finally figured it out, I was told my comments are sarcastic. I think people want to believe they are right in every discussion and they don't like to hear the other side, or in this case, the truth about their side.

I was hoping this discussion would die off already as I was hoping to return to my shell again.

[Moustache Gang]

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Joel,

I came up with the fact on the MEARS board. Troy stated and I quote his words posted directly to you, "We chose not to offer you or any individual sellers a contract due to overall market resistence to the 2008 contracts..."

He states furthermore,

"So officially, your title as a certified dealer is "unofficial". "It does not appear to make sense that you would be a MEARS certified dealer when you are against the policies and practices that would be included in all contracts."

So are we missing something here??

No stupid comment by me. I am just relaying the facts. If you want to get into a word war or split hairs and say you were not "stripped" that is fine and I take back the word stripped, but MEARS has clearly laid out their policy and you are now an "unofficial" certified MEARS dealer.

Mark

[trsent]

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Joel,

I came up with the fact on the MEARS board. Troy stated and I quote his words posted directly to you, "We chose not to offer you or any individual sellers a contract due to overall market resistence to the 2008 contracts..."

He states furthermore,

"So officially, your title as a certified dealer is "unofficial". "It does not appear to make sense that you would be a MEARS certified dealer when you are against the policies and practices that would be included in all contracts."

So are we missing something here??

No stupid comment by me. I am just relaying the facts. If you want to get into a word war or split hairs and say you were not "stripped" that is fine and I take back the word stripped, but MEARS has clearly laid out their policy and you are now an "unofficial" certified MEARS dealer.

Mark

Mark, the debate you are showing only part of the discussion is about the MEARS Auction House Contract which I had issues with how it makes it impossible for any major auction house who doesn't sign the contract to be unable to submit items for submission, even at full retail submission. It also means a customer who shows intent to have MEARS write a letter but then turn the item to an auction house who doesn't swow, ign the MEARS letter cannot have their item authenticated at full retail.

I don't need to get into when Troy gave me a copy of the letter and told me I had to sign it, but then they decided it would be for private auction houses only and not eBay sellers.

That is what the debate was about. As for the Certified term, Troy and I came up with that in his office one night. Unofficial, fine, but it was approve and accepted by Troy.

Oh wait, once again, I just realized, when someone is losing the discussion, they look for a way to divert the topic to something else - Like trying to pick on me. Ok, you win, you have changed the subject and personally attacked me by bringing up a subject that has nothing to do with you complaining about the same thing over and over on many discussions. According to your previous post, I guess you have made progress with MEARS, so I guess it worked.

Was there anything else you wanted to attack me on or did you wish to get back to the point at hand which originally was that Dave Bushing's stepping down as an authenticator to concentrate on retail sales does not mean there is any "Trouble at MEARS" but the company is doing just fine?

[both-teams-played-hard]

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I was hoping this discussion would die off already as I was hoping to return to my shell again.

OK. I'm bored. I'll take the bait.
Joel
Did you ever see the film, "The Breakfast Club"? You know the part when Judd Nelson keeps insulting the principal and keeps getting days of detention...and Molly Ringwold mouths the word "Stop" because she wants Judd to quit digging a hole for himself? Well, I'm Molly and you're Judd.

[trsent]

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OK. I'm bored. I'll take the bait.
Joel
Did you ever see the film, "The Breakfast Club"? You know the part when Judd Nelson keeps insulting the principal and keeps getting days of detention...and Molly Ringwold mouths the word "Stop" because she wants Judd to quit digging a hole for himself? Well, I'm Molly and you're Judd.

That movie was filmed at a school right down the road from me.

Ok, I'll stop, but only because you are one of the few people I respect.

[dodgersfan]

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Let's lock this one up.


Rudy

[trsent]

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OK. I'm bored. I'll take the bait.
Joel
Did you ever see the film, "The Breakfast Club"? You know the part when Judd Nelson keeps insulting the principal and keeps getting days of detention...and Molly Ringwold mouths the word "Stop" because she wants Judd to quit digging a hole for himself? Well, I'm Molly and you're Judd.

...but I should add, I don't feel I'm digging any holes. People only want to hear their side of any argument, and my side is always wrong to most posters on here for some reason.

I have my supporters who agree with me but are the large group that reads this forum but doesn't post on it.

...BYE!

[nyjetsfan14]

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only because you are one of the few people I respect.

That's too bad.

[mvandor]

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Let me say I consider Mears the best authentication shop in the biz and Bushing's decision a big loss to the community. Another flipper adds nothing of benefit to offset the loss of a very good authenticator.

I also consider Mears to have about the strongest ethics policy out there. Nevertheless, an authenticator grading his own items should never be permitted, even with disclosure IMHO. This discussion simply indicates how far the industry has yet to go to have proper controls in place, and how it cries out for legislative action to set basic standards.

[aeneas01]

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Let me say I consider Mears the best authentication shop in the biz and Bushing's decision a big loss to the community. Another flipper adds nothing of benefit to offset the loss of a very good authenticator.

I also consider Mears to have about the strongest ethics policy out there. Nevertheless, an authenticator grading his own items should never be permitted, even with disclosure IMHO. This discussion simply indicates how far the industry has yet to go to have proper controls in place, and how it cries out for legislative action to set basic standards.

well put....