Need Your Thoughts On What makes a Game Used Bat Rare & Desireable?

[cjmedina1]

Re: Need Your Thoughts On What makes a Game Used Bat Rare & Desireable?

Tony

This a is a great topic.In talking with a few MAC collectors about which bat would they rather have...Most said they would want to have a bat from 1987 season,While others said a 1986 bat.MAC did play some games in 1986,But since NO ONE has access to Rawlings bat orders it will be very hard to determine if that bat indeed made it to a game in 86. Just an FYI I was the only guy who wanted both bats LOL

So my question to you is HOW did you get Rawlings verify the bat for you?Was it a secret hand shake? Just by seeing the Letter from them,That tells me they did keep some type of records?

Mike S,Jim C,John T,Vince M,Troy K,Dave B
I know you all have tried to get them to open up the books but nothing came about.I'm only assume Rawlings wasn't ready or they just don't care. I'm curious if another attempt is going to be made?

Carlie Medina III
carliemedinaiii@sbcglobal.net

[metsbats]

Re: Need Your Thoughts On What makes a Game Used Bat Rare & Desireable?

Hi Carlie,

From 1980- present Rawlings bats are probably the easiest bats to date to a particular year since the year code is stamped on the knobs. So it would be easy to date a Mac bat made in 86 verses 87. The Rawlings center brand did change the latter part of 1986 to the large "RAWLINGS" branding which started in 87 so there are 1986 stamped bats with the 87 labeling.

If i'm understanding your question are you looking for player order and model numbers from Rawlings?

The closest I ever got with Rawlings to give info was for a 2000 Mike Piazza NLCS bat which was stamped with his model number and "NLCS" on the knob. I spoke with Bill Steele from Rawlings who actually told me yes we did make NLCS bats for Piazza in 2000 but couldn't explain the absence of the year stamp. Not that is matters as the Mets don't make it to the post season that often so it would be easy to date which NLCS the bats was made for.

I'd also be interested if Jim C ever got Rawlings to open up as I did have this conversation with Jim off line a couple of years ago.

David


David

[cjmedina1]

Re: Need Your Thoughts On What makes a Game Used Bat Rare & Desireable?

Hi David

In reading my post I wasn't clear about my point.I totally understand about the dating of all Rawlings bat from the 80's till now. I was trying to point out if would be very difficult to pin point my 86 gamer.Was it a minor league bat or a bat that was used when he got called up to play in 86? Maybe some day we all will be able to match up the number to actual order dates.That would be cool.

For the record I do have at least one MAC minor League bat that dates to the 85/86 season.I have written letter from the bat boy and it has a COA from PSA/DNA....

Here the LS bat and a 1986 Rawlings bat

[joelsabi]

Re: Need Your Thoughts On What makes a Game Used Bat Rare & Desireable?

what make a arod bat desirable to me

1) has medium-heavy game use: the more the better. if it has little use might as well pay the price of an unused model.
2) has player charateristics : cleats marks, pinetar, number on knob
3) bat out of the ordinary: almost every one has a model C271
4) a bat with a story: i like the griffey model bat that arod borrowed. like the griffey tape job and one of these was once confiscated by umps at a baltimore game in 1996.
5) bat that cannot be confused as a BP bat
6) bat with solid documentation: verbal is not enough.

[3arod13]

Re: Need Your Thoughts On What makes a Game Used Bat Rare & Desireable?

Tony

This a is a great topic.In talking with a few MAC collectors about which bat would they rather have...Most said they would want to have a bat from 1987 season,While others said a 1986 bat.MAC did play some games in 1986,But since NO ONE has access to Rawlings bat orders it will be very hard to determine if that bat indeed made it to a game in 86. Just an FYI I was the only guy who wanted both bats LOL

So my question to you is HOW did you get Rawlings verify the bat for you?Was it a secret hand shake? Just by seeing the Letter from them,That tells me they did keep some type of records?

Mike S,Jim C,John T,Vince M,Troy K,Dave B
I know you all have tried to get them to open up the books but nothing came about.I'm only assume Rawlings wasn't ready or they just don't care. I'm curious if another attempt is going to be made?

Carlie Medina III
carliemedinaiii@sbcglobal.net

Carlie,

No favors. I just wrote to Rawlings and explained my situation about the Arod bat I owned. It wasn't easy. To be honest, I didn't think anything would come of it. It took a long time. If I have to pinpoint one thing that may have been considered, was my military service. At that time, I served 28 years. I believe it was just something nice they considered doing for my military service.

Mr. Steele expressed that he was very busy and it is very difficult to find time to go back through records to find specific information on bats.

As frustrating it is to many in the hobby, in my opinion, I don't see why bat companies don't open this information to the public. Add pictures and bat information year by year on their websites. With the problems in the hobby today, I believe this would help tremendously.

Tony

[3arod13]

Re: Need Your Thoughts On What makes a Game Used Bat Rare & Desireable?

I have a Cooper bat that I have been researching over the past few months. I contacted Doug Hamel of KR3Bats, who now owns what was the old Cooper Bat Company, and even he is having a difficult time finding info.

As shown in the picture, I found 3 different Cooper bats with different strips on the labeling band:

- One Foil
- One Dark Blue Strip
- ONe Light Blue Strip

I have been trying to find the labeling periods (years) for these 3 different bats.

He has been tyring to be helpful, but just can't find the time to do so.

I also contact Louisivlle Slugger on a few bats, and even they find it difficult sometimes to go back and find accurate information.

Again, I think it's a good thing if bat information became public record. Not sure however if because players order these bats, it becomes a privacy issue.

Tony

[3arod13]

Re: Need Your Thoughts On What makes a Game Used Bat Rare & Desireable?

Anyone who may know where I can find info on Coopers bats, to determine the years for these three bats, would be much appreciated.

I searched the internet for months and can't find a thing. Checked ebay, but sellers who are selling Cooper bats don't seem to know either.

[metsbats]

Re: Need Your Thoughts On What makes a Game Used Bat Rare & Desireable?

Anyone who may know where I can find info on Coopers bats, to determine the years for these three bats, would be much appreciated.

I searched the internet for months and can't find a thing. Checked ebay, but sellers who are selling Cooper bats don't seem to know either.

Tony,

I have old articles from SCD (Tim Lee's column) and have one which talks about Cooper bats.

Please email me at metsbats86@aol.com and i can send you a copy.

Thanks
-David

[metsbats]

Re: Need Your Thoughts On What makes a Game Used Bat Rare & Desireable?

Carlie,

Thanks for the clarification. You want to pinpoint usage to the majors verses minors in 86 for the bats.

Nice bats!

David

[3arod13]

Re: Need Your Thoughts On What makes a Game Used Bat Rare & Desireable?

Tony,

I have old articles from SCD (Tim Lee's column) and have one which talks about Cooper bats.

Please email me at metsbats86@aol.com and i can send you a copy.

Thanks
-David

David, does it provide any info about the labeling periods, colored bands, etc.?

Tony

[3arod13]

Re: Need Your Thoughts On What makes a Game Used Bat Rare & Desireable?

I believe that people want a bat that a player is known to use. Meaning, what they see in pictures, tv, and in person -- that player with that particular brand/model of bat.

But, after a few of those, the player collectors will look for that unique bat that maybe was only tried once by a player. Or, different color combinations or handle variations between bats. That's what makes it fun. You can have three of the "same" bats, but they can all be different.

Ok, maybe the average fan that wants a game used bat of their favorite player.

But what about your seasoned die-hard game used bat collector. Wouldn't they want that one bat in their collection that is very limited or rare?

If Derek Jeter used a P72 majority of the time throughout his career, but only used a Rawlings bat in 1996, wouldn't a seasoned die-hard Jeter collector want that bat in their collection? If there are thousands of P72's out there, any many collectors have one, how many would be able to say that have a Rawlings Gamer that Jeter used in 1996?

To me, that's what I look for.