I always knew that the Mets management was dumb

[Vintagedeputy]

Re: I always knew that the Mets management was dumb

Jerry Manuel's first game as the Mets manager - Jose Reyes gets hurt and argues with the new manager about coming out of the game.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080617&content_id=2949869&vkey=news_nym&fext=.jsp&c_id=nym&partnerId=rss_nym

I guess that's Willie Randolph's fault too. Way to go Mets...

[TNTtoys]

Re: I always knew that the Mets management was dumb

Jerry Manuel's first game as the Mets manager - Jose Reyes gets hurt and argues with the new manager about coming out of the game.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080617&content_id=2949869&vkey=news_nym&fext=.jsp&c_id=nym&partnerId=rss_nym

I guess that's Willie Randolph's fault too. Way to go Mets...

You clearly don't get it. Had Reyes been disciplined correctly for any of his actions in the past 2 years, it would not have come to this on Tuesday. The primadonna behavior was allowed for so long in New York that it became the norm.

A few weeks ago, Charlie Manuel (no relation to our current manager I presume) benched his MVP Jimmy Rollins for not hustling. Jimmy took it like a man. When interviewed after the game, he told the press that he understands it was wrong and would not do it again. That's the atmosphere that needs to be established in the Mets' clubhouse... and Willie clearly hadn't.

[Vintagedeputy]

Re: I always knew that the Mets management was dumb

You clearly don't get it. Had Reyes been disciplined correctly for any of his actions in the past 2 years, it would not have come to this on Tuesday. The primadonna behavior was allowed for so long in New York that it became the norm.

A few weeks ago, Charlie Manuel (no relation to our current manager I presume) benched his MVP Jimmy Rollins for not hustling. Jimmy took it like a man. When interviewed after the game, he told the press that he understands it was wrong and would not do it again. That's the atmosphere that needs to be established in the Mets' clubhouse... and Willie clearly hadn't.

Funny, I have never heard of Reyes acting like a primadonna before. I also wasnt aware that Reyes had "actions" that needed discipline. As a career .285 hitter, Reyes seemed to be flourishing during Willie's tenure.

You will never convince me that the Mets made the right call on this, even if Jerry Manuel takes them to the WS in 4 games.

[TNTtoys]

Re: I always knew that the Mets management was dumb

Funny, I have never heard of Reyes acting like a primadonna before. I also wasnt aware that Reyes had "actions" that needed discipline. As a career .285 hitter, Reyes seemed to be flourishing during Willie's tenure.

You will never convince me that the Mets made the right call on this, even if Jerry Manuel takes them to the WS in 4 games.

Reyes has a history of --

1. Not running out fly balls

2. Watching/admiring his shots rather than running hard just in case they don't clear the wall (ala yesterday)

3. Attempting to steal in very stupid situations (i.e. my prior example about trying to steal 3rd base with 2 outs and the game on the line)

Sometimes it's not about Reyes, it's about the team.
Again, a manager needs to control the attitudes in the clubhouse.

[TNTtoys]

Re: I always knew that the Mets management was dumb

My personal favorite was when Jim Riggleman led the Cubs 1998 team to the playoffs and then had an injury riddled pitching staff in 1999 and was abruptly fired. After Riggleman got fired 9 years ago he hasn't been rehired as a big league manager.

This just in...

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AvomS1nY9kyh.ZiXYZ4PtrE5nYcB?slug=ap-mariners-mclarenfired&prov=ap&type=lgns

9 years go by and nothing happens.

You complain, and 2 days later, Jim Riggleman has a new managerial job!!!

Andrew, you must know people in high places

[allstarsplus]

Re: I always knew that the Mets management was dumb

This just in...

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AvomS1nY9kyh.ZiXYZ4PtrE5nYcB?slug=ap-mariners-mclarenfired&prov=ap&type=lgns

9 years go by and nothing happens.

You complain, and 2 days later, Jim Riggleman has a new managerial job!!!

Andrew, you must know people in high places

TNT - Just a strange coincidence, but maybe they read my comments (lol). Jim is a great baseball guy and a good person, and I am glad after 9 years he got another chance!

The Mariners will be a good challenge for Jim and hopefully this is long term for him.

Thanks for the Post.

[Metsfan808]

Re: I always knew that the Mets management was dumb

Wouldn't you still have to have a player "sign" even after being traded to your team . The player would still have to sign a contract, right ?

No, the player has to follow the contract that he signed until it expires or the team releases the player.

If a player signs a 4 year deal in 2004 and is traded in 2005 he still has 2 years left on his deal. The team that aquires him aquires his contract. There is no "signing" because the player already has a contract.

[camarokids]

Re: I always knew that the Mets management was dumb

No, the player has to follow the contract that he signed until it expires or the team releases the player.

If a player signs a 4 year deal in 2004 and is traded in 2005 he still has 2 years left on his deal. The team that aquires him aquires his contract. There is no "signing" because the player already has a contract.

I see the light now ....

But sometimes does a player to be traded , negotiate a new contract with his new team , as part of the deal ?

[gingi79]

Re: I always knew that the Mets management was dumb

No, the player has to follow the contract that he signed until it expires or the team releases the player.

If a player signs a 4 year deal in 2004 and is traded in 2005 he still has 2 years left on his deal. The team that aquires him aquires his contract. There is no "signing" because the player already has a contract.

This is semantics. He acquired a ballplayer who was well past his prime.

The overpay for players like this every season. Pedro got a deal that by every logical account was 2 years too long. Now he's breaking down, rightfully so as he has had a HOF career and now he's old and years past his prime. Yes he had a great 2 seaons with the Mets but they are paying for it now.

Also I didn't say anything about getting Beltran because of Delgado, I said they were two examples of Minaya acquiring marginal players after their best part or full season or overpaying for future HOFers way past their prime and getting quality seasons for only half their contracts. The Castillo contract was hellacious and not worth discussing as it is one of many the Mets made.

Ryan Chuch is injured but he was the most consistent player on this team. That is a disturbing fact given the payroll. Minaya did a good job acquiring him. Given the Mets history of getting ballplayers who do great but get injured seemingly every year (Alou, Valentin, Church, any catcher, Pedro the list goes on...)

Willie didn't acquire any of these guys and no one in the Mets organization is holding Minaya accountable for his mistakes. When you add the injuries and the success Randolph had (second best winning percentage in Mets history behind Davey Johnson) and the way he was fired, the Mets messed up.

[metsbats]

Re: I always knew that the Mets management was dumb

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/25217971/

Bottom line Omar couldn't fire 40 players nor fire himself so Randolph is the scapegoat as every MLB manager is when a team does not do well.

The way is was done we all agree was classless and cowardly.

The above article hits the nail on the head. Hopefully Omar is next.

How many World Championships did the Expos win while Omar was the GM there???

David

[allstarsplus]

Re: I always knew that the Mets management was dumb

A long way to go as we are about at the 100 game mark now with 62 to go, but............

Mets take a share of 1st place today!!!! I am not even a Mets fan and I can't believe it!!!!

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/gameday_recap.jsp?ymd=20080720&content_id=3160220&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

[markize]

Re: I always knew that the Mets management was dumb

[quote=allstarsplus;91998]A long way to go as we are about at the 100 game mark now with 62 to go, but............

Mets take a share of 1st place today!!!! I am not even a Mets fan and I can't believe it!!!!


Andrew..........yes, the Mets may be in 1st place today, but lets not forget their recent history of falling apart at the end of the season!!

mark