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  • G1X
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2005
    • 1076

    #16
    Re: at national right now.....

    Not meaning to hijack the thread, but I wanted to add some observations to lund6771's comments of seeing older football jerseys from the 1980's - back in the days when they were worn for many more games - that didn't seem to show near as much wear as some of the newer jerseys worn in only one game.

    There is a reason that older jerseys will sometimes not show as much wear as current jerseys. Current football jerseys are made somewhat differently (especially in the shoulder area and the tapering of the body) and most importantly, worn much more tighter than they were back in previous decades. This leads to current jerseys being prone to showing more wear in a shorter period of time.

    I have a number of older jerseys in my collection and have been involved in a few bulk buys from teams consisting of older jerseys. Some of these jerseys will look almost mint at first glance. However, upon close examination, there will be signs of use such as a team repair, scrape marks (I love screened-on numbers for that reason), etc. For example, I collect WFL jerseys (1974 and 1975), and many of the teams had only one set of jerseys. Some will look hammered, but others will look almost new, especially teams that used Russell jerseys as they seemed to be very durable and not reflect much use, even for players who were starters. The same holds true for the Atlanta Falcons - a team that I also collect - as they wore Russell for many years.

    See the below Detroit Wheels WFL jersey (made by Sand Knit). At first glance, it looks just as "mint" in person as it does in the photo. I assumed that it was mint when I obtained it until I found several nice team repairs and other subtle signs of game-use. I have a number of older jerseys that fall into this category as does other collections that I've observed over the years.

    Of course, many older jerseys will look just as hammered as the newer ones (especially linemen), and sometimes will look even more battered. However, I wouldn't necessarily run from an older jersey that looks mint if everything else looks right about it. I would assume that is "team-issued" at worse as back in those days, store-bought replicas were not made near as well as they are today.

    In my observations and opinion, I am more suspicious of newer jerseys looking mint (even one-gamers) than older jerseys looking mint.

    Mark Hayne
    Gridiron Exchange
    gixc@verizon.net
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    • scottanservitz
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2005
      • 743

      #17
      Re: at national right now.....

      I just got back from the National last night at about 2:30a.m. It was ok. It was very expensive, but I plan on that since it is only once a year. As far as game used, I guess I am of the opinion that it had some of the nicest stuff, but it is all auction consignments. Ugh. I saw the Sid Luckman jersey at AMI. My brother and I actually had a nice 20 minute discussion with one of their employees. He told us about he and Terry Bradshaw and going out recently. Very funny story. But anyway, I saw atleast 3 or 4 Clemente gamers. One recently sold but the dealer let my brother and I hold it. I believe Lelands had 3 or 4 Steeler gamer helmets from Lambert and Joe Greene. They appeared the real deal as far as I can tell. I saw a Ted Williams gamer. All nice stuff, but as far as buying, there were a few bat guys with good stuff, but very expensive. There was Hartel with tons and tons of jerseys from all sports. I did not have time to look through it, but they were displaying some nice stuff. So all in all, I guess there was some nice eye candy. But for the heavy hitters, you will have to go the auction route. As far as I can tell, the economy is only affecting the middle and lower class as the prices on high end is still there and from some of the dealers perspectives both on cards and memorabilia, the good stuff is maintaining its price and it is selling. I guess that is all I have. It was fun, but we were stuck in traffic for 2.5 hours just getting out of Chicago. Big bummer.

      Scott

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