GFC 1996 All Star Michael Jordan Jersey - Size 46 or Size 48 Jersey???

[mb23]

Re: GFC 1996 All Star Michael Jordan Jersey - Size 46 or Size 48 Jersey???

Ok let me try and shed some more light on this topic.. if you look at the auctioned pair on lelands it says practice worn and I clearly remember that auction, it was the regular sample ftps tag. There is also another site called MJAUTHENTIC that has another practice worn pair also sample tagged the regular way and if i remember correctly vintage Authentics also auctiond the same practice pair.

On to the picture of Mike in the allstar game i've done some cropping and zooming and took a few more pictures of my own shoes compared to a regular tagged pair.here are some examples


if you look at the right shoe which is circled you can clearly see that the blue peice that comes up the front is almost off ceneterd to 1 side and a little lupsided to one side if you look straight up the shoe and try to allign it with the laces you can see it is not centered.

(here is a pic from my personal collection of Mike's shoes)

the shoe on the left is my handtyped sample pair with the smaller front.
the shoe on the right is a normal sample pair with the squared, centered front sole.

Back to my Black Red pair i just looked at that to and you will have to excuse me sometimes i forget it is a sz 13.5
here are a few pictures of them the box and the tag.





Now as far as him switching to sz 13.5 during the later part of the season is also false because i also i know for a fact that his low cut black XI worn for 2 games against the knicks and 1 game in orlando in the playoffs were in fact a sz 13. with the pointed front also and a handtyped tag as well and again making them a special make up unlike the released version of that low cut the sides on his were full leather instead of preferated like on the released.( i do have pictures of all of these examples but the shoes are not mine and i do not like to post pictures that do not belong to me i will first ask for premmision from the owner.)

[mmonte4]

Re: GFC 1996 All Star Michael Jordan Jersey - Size 46 or Size 48 Jersey???

I disagree with Bird33 in regard to the 95-96 season and the Air Jordan XI. I think it is common knowledge among serious collectors that during that season Jordan wore size 13.5 and all of our legit examples of game used XIs are Sample FTPS.

Jordan23Collectibles, yours are the shoes from CharitableBulls, correct?

[jordan23collectibles]

Re: GFC 1996 All Star Michael Jordan Jersey - Size 46 or Size 48 Jersey???

To answer your question if my pair of All Star colorway is sample tagged. The answer is yes and the shoes are size 13.5 (pic attached)

[33bird]

Re: GFC 1996 All Star Michael Jordan Jersey - Size 46 or Size 48 Jersey???

Yea, I'm a little leery to accept anybody's opinion as "Gospel" when it comes to Jordan game used shoes. If you look at various posts over the last year or so, opinions vary a lot. Some have said he wore size 13 until late in his career, when he changed to 13.5. Did his feet get bigger or did the shoe change? Just recently we were told SAMPLE didn't appear on his shoes until his Wizards years, maybe his last season with the Bulls, but very rarely. Now we're being told basically only SAMPLE FTPS shoes in 1995-96 were game used. Which I don't agree with. There use to be a post on here that had every shoe size listed for every year and I'm pretty sure 1995-96 was listed as size 13 or maybe it was both sizes. Now someone says they think his Jordan shoes were definately worn, at least in practice, because the toe is pointed as on Getty. I don't see that either. Somebody else said they saw Jordans garage door open during his playing days and it was FULL of shoeboxes! I think that might be the best evidence right there. I'm serious. I guess it's common knowledge that he used a different pair of shoes every game. That's 82 games. Preseason games? Another 15. Playoffs-for the Bulls another 20 or so. That's over 100 right there. Then what about practice? There's a bunch more. So were talking probably around 200 pair a season, maybe, that he'd put on and wore in practice and/or games. Think every single pair was the same size and tagged exactly the same over the course of a long season? Doubt it. Do we have his ordering records like we do with game used bats? No. So everything is opinion. If he wore size 13s for most of his career, would it be so strange that we wore some in his later years too if they fit better? I've actually read in one of his books that one foot was size 13 and one was size 13.5-and he would wear those different sizes together. Maybe that's the key. Some styles fit better in size 13 and some didn't, so he wore 13.5s. Anyway, all I'm saying is until Nike gives us all his ordering records, don't go sell your stuff. Everything is all still kindof a guessing game when it comes to Mike's shoes. Keep telling us what you know but don't tell us it's the gospel truth unless it's something legit, like Mike's Nike ordering records. If it's just some guys opinion, state it as that.

[mmonte4]

Re: GFC 1996 All Star Michael Jordan Jersey - Size 46 or Size 48 Jersey???

please post your pictures of the Blk/Red XI's. I have never seen them sample tagged in size 13, only 13.5

http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/auction/2008/1584.html

I disagree with the example of the toe...i see no evidence that the toe is different in the getty images pic...the sample shoes are pictured at a different angle, so it is really tough to tell.

apparently nike made multiple samples of the XI all star colorway - at least 2. The only sample tagged versions of the XI All Star Colorway I have seen are yours and the shoes listed on ebay.

Here is another example, but they are size 13 and we don't know if they are sample tagged. I assume they are not because they sold for so low:

http://www.lelands.com/LotDetail.aspx?lotid=62495

Member jordan23collectibles on this forum also has a pair of the All Star colorway with a letter from the Bulls. I don't know if they are sample tagged.

Jordan wore the All Star colorway in Feb 1996, so I would infer that he wore the Sample Tagged FTPS in size 13.5 because all of the other examples we see from that time period (XI White/Black) are also size 13.5 and tagged Sample FTPS. There is no reason to think he would we the earliest of prototypes in the Feb 1996.

[mb23]

Re: GFC 1996 All Star Michael Jordan Jersey - Size 46 or Size 48 Jersey???

I believe your are correct because i also have game issued Black Red XI's and they are sz 13 sample ftps tagged not handtyped and I have a Concord XI also the same way but sz 13.5 sample ftps not handtyped and both of those are from late 1996 but there is early pairs of the White Black Concords which are stitched and pointed in the front. I guess Nike does some weird stuff.

The only reason i believe the Carolina Blue sample pairs that are around and that are not handtyped are practice used, is because what else would they have been used for? I clearly can tell that the fronts of the actual pair worn during the All Star game are pointed unlike the regular sample pairs i see.

Vintage Authentics also had a pair on auction a few years back that was stated to be practice worn and also had that sample tag not handtyped.

I wish i can find some better pictures from the All Star game to get a better look at the backs but from all the pictures i see where i can see the fronts really appear to be not as squared as the normal pairs.

[mmonte4]

Re: GFC 1996 All Star Michael Jordan Jersey - Size 46 or Size 48 Jersey???

it's an interesting topic. from what i've gathered, only the earliest versions of the Air Jordan XI (made for use by MJ) are hand typed and stitched. These are the versions of spring/summer 1995. Every game used XI i've ever seen worn during the 1995-96 season is tagged Sample FTPS, is not hand typed, and has the etched 23 on back. I think one can assume the stitched and handtyped versions to be the earliest prototypes.

Please provide evidence on the "practice" XI All Stars colorway. Leland's auctioned a pair off a few years ago - size 13 and no sample codes listed. I believe Heritage auctions did as well. Grey flannel just tried to pass retail as game used. Let's get to the bottom of this.

[mb23]

Re: GFC 1996 All Star Michael Jordan Jersey - Size 46 or Size 48 Jersey???

Hello again, I tried searching for a good photomatch of the back part of his shoes to show the stitched 23 during that game, but i can not find 1 anywhere. I have included a picture of the front view and you can see that the blue part of the sole which comes up on to the toebox is almost more ponited in front unlike the general release model or the practice worn sample (not handtyped)..

here is the getty image from the game


and here is a normal sample tagged pair front and tag (not my picture listing is on ebay)



This pair is being auctioned now on ebay as game issued.

[mb23]

Re: GFC 1996 All Star Michael Jordan Jersey - Size 46 or Size 48 Jersey???

I do not have any provance I have been collecting Jordan for some time and mainly game used sneakers..Unfortunatly in our hobby there aren't many reference sites to see actual tags and associated coding with MJ game worn sneakers but they always have a special coding and with a little hard work and some searching you can find them. I do know there is a gentleman on this board who owns the 1994 Air Jordan game issued cleat who can show you the same exact tagging and coding handtyped only difference being the year. Almost every pair that is made up with differnces from the regular production of that same model line has handtyped coding.

Also my pair, the front of each shoe is pointed instead of squared as in regular production of that shoe.

i will include a few photos of some tagging i have saved over the years and a link to a similar model as mine but this model was made in 1995 for the movie space jam.


1996 Air Jordan XI (spacejam movie) made in late 95, (95011 ftps) also you can see here the pointed toebox that i was refering to on my pair.

http://www.jordanextreme.com/nikegallery/AJ11/aj11-1996SpaceJams/aj11-1996Spacejams.htm

1994 Air Jordan IX Cleat Game issued and used (94011 ftps)


1992 Air Jordan VII Game issued (92011 ftps)


As you can see the coding always follows the year before just replacing the first 2 #'s on a year to year basis

i hope this helps a bit and if i can help more and you have any questions please pm me and i will gladly try to hel.

Thank You
Mike

[mmonte4]

Re: GFC 1996 All Star Michael Jordan Jersey - Size 46 or Size 48 Jersey???

what is your provenance? Do you own only one shoe or both pairs? i have never seen a photomatch of the stitching.

[mb23]

Re: GFC 1996 All Star Michael Jordan Jersey - Size 46 or Size 48 Jersey???

"this pair being a special make-up for him to wear that weekend the tag was handtyped size and serial and also had a stitched 23 on the back heel instead of the normal etched on"


Please provide your source for this information.

My sourse for this is Myself being that i own a 1996 Allstar Issued Air Jordan XI.

(here is a picture of my inside tag which reads 960112 FTPS handtyped)..there is also practice pairs of these shoes worn throughout the season which also had different coding. the practice coding were not handtyped and did not have the stitched 23 on back heel.


(here is a picture of the stitched 23 on back heel)..hope this helps.


Regards
Mike

[mmonte4]

Re: GFC 1996 All Star Michael Jordan Jersey - Size 46 or Size 48 Jersey???

"this pair being a special make-up for him to wear that weekend the tag was handtyped size and serial and also had a stitched 23 on the back heel instead of the normal etched on"


Please provide your source for this information.

[mb23]

Re: GFC 1996 All Star Michael Jordan Jersey - Size 46 or Size 48 Jersey???

It was a shame that this lot even passed any of the GF people without anyone noticing that the shoes themselves were not even game issued let alone game worn. The proper coding for any game issued shoes for Mike should always follow a certain date or should have a Sample Ftps on the tag and this pair being a special make-up for him to wear that weekend the tag was handtyped size and serial and also had a stitched 23 on the back heel instead of the normal etched on.

Thanks to that Rairair23 and the great job done on helping all of us with Michael and his signature, that website has been a great asset to me and also a great read with tons of knowledge.Thank you!

[jordan23collectibles]

Re: GFC 1996 All Star Michael Jordan Jersey - Size 46 or Size 48 Jersey???

As per the latest thread on GU Forum the lot was pulled out by Grey Flannel.

However, I had the privelege to obtain this link explaining the differences between the 1996 All Star jersey offered by Grey Flannel versus the actual GU jersey that MJ wore in the 1996 All Star games.

This review was meant to educate others and not make a mockery of any auction house.

http://www.rareair23.com/jordangameuseduniforms.html

Regards,

jordan23collectibles

[jordan23collectibles]

Re: GFC 1996 All Star Michael Jordan Jersey - Size 46 or Size 48 Jersey???

I just recently joined MEARS as a member and have asked Troy Kinunen if they have authenticated a size 48 Jordan Jersey in the past. The response I received was that all the jerseys issued with a valid LOO in their database were all size 46. So where did this size 48 come from?