Game Used Favre Story in SCD

[allstarsplus]

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There's alot of room for speculation but you have to start looking at Thomason first. Of course Brett could get identical game issued jerseys, and he hardly needs the small change anyway. It looks as though he's just trying to help a buddy here, and doubtful he even pays too much attention to the detail of the jerseys as he signs them. The fraud appears to be occurring near the source though as it certainly appears Brett has been signing and being photographed with bad product, presumably because he trusts what's put in front of him.

As in politics, just follow the $. Who besides Thomason benefits from the income from selling wholesale to Radtke, and then who from that group has chain of custody access.

An honest investigation could likely get to the truth in 72 hours.

MVANDOR - The article calls in question that some of these aren't even the same size so it doesn't appear that they are even identical game issued jerseys.

We haven't covered this yet. Brett wears sometimes 2 jerseys a game and clearly the customers that didn't get in some circumstances the real jersey----so who has this stash of real gamers?

Luckily lund6771 says his Favre is a match so there is hope that most are real.

I think that it would be fair of Radtke to go back to every person he sold one to, explain to them the situation, and do some serious research on each item with video matches....

I am sure Rick's phone is already ringing off the hook from everyone who has ever bought any Favre item. A shame to be put in the middle over something you had no control over.

Thanks to Rudy's work he has proven to me that the problem's occurred prior to receipt by Rick Radtke so hopefully Thomason is reading this and he can concentrate on how the jerseys came off of Brett Favre in the locker room to the point they were shipped to Rick Radtke.

[otismalibu]

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Provenance on these items was about as solid as one could ask for I would think.

NO SUCH THING!

I don't care if the player says it's good, the equipment guy says it's good, the bearded man in sandals says it's good...

Where's that Namath helmet thread.

[mvandor]

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Is it wrong to be amused by people who spend thousands of dollars on 'game used' items, without doing any research on the piece/s?

In this case probably. Provenance on these items was about as solid as one could ask for I would think.

[otismalibu]

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Is it wrong to be amused by people who spend thousands of dollars on 'game used' items, without doing any research on the piece/s?

[indyred]

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Here is an interesting old thread dealing with Favre fraud autograph stuff.

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=3971&page=2&highlight=Favre+fake+autograph

[mvandor]

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There's alot of room for speculation but you have to start looking at Thomason first. Of course Brett could get identical game issued jerseys, and he hardly needs the small change anyway. It looks as though he's just trying to help a buddy here, and doubtful he even pays too much attention to the detail of the jerseys as he signs them. The fraud appears to be occurring near the source though as it certainly appears Brett has been signing and being photographed with bad product, presumably because he trusts what's put in front of him.

As in politics, just follow the $. Who besides Thomason benefits from the income from selling wholesale to Radtke, and then who from that group has chain of custody access.

An honest investigation could likely get to the truth in 72 hours.

[kingjammy24]

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Thomason is gonna have some serious explaining to do...

yes. thomason will have to answer to the thomason-headed task force and the folks he's hired. maybe he'll interrogate himself. in all seriousness, you'd need an impartial body with some real authority such as a state or federal agency.

i contacted michael o'keeffe of the ny daily news this morning to see if he intends on picking up the story.

as for AMI contacting the winner of their favre jersey, i'm sure they'll get right on that. right after they remove the '86 canseco shirt and '98 canseco helmet in their current auction.

rudy.

[lund6771]

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Nice work Kingjammy

Seeing side by side it is the exact jersey Favre is holding. Don't a few members here own Favre game used jerseys. Would be cool to see them posted in here and how they obtained them. I bet a follow up article is in the works just with info on this thread. Anyone else got old auctions with Favre jerseys in them with his COA to look at.

I'll post mine later...but I did go back and match it right after I got mine and it was perfectly video matched to a specific repair and blood stains to multiple games in 04....

One this is for sure...there diffinitely are a lot of good ones out there as well...I think that it would be fair of Radtke to go back to every person he sold one to, explain to them the situation, and do some serious research on each item with video matches....

Rick, if you're reading this, I can get you a video copy of every game that Favre played in Green Bay for reference...

Thomason is gonna have some serious explaining to do...

In the mean time, Radtke ponied up his refund....I wonder if AMI, who I would assume is out for the best interest in their customers, will be contacting the winner of the playoff jersey to tell them that there is a problem...

Maybe Dave O'Brien can get Victors or kika's comments on this thread

[allstarsplus]

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This just shows how easy it is to get a Favre jersey. They have the Throwbacks that Brett wore this year when he set his career personal best in TD's. All that is missing is a strip tag in the neck area!


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[allstarsplus]

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Rudy - Awesome job!!!! By that proof alone it should clear Rick Radtke. So the Thomason investigation will be interesting as where the finger gets pointed or whether or not it just gets swept under the rug.

On a different Favre subject, I got an email from the Jets this morning. Now you can buy a red Jets #4 Brett Favre practice jersey (of course un-used). You can see how easy it is to get something that may look right to the novice that can be purchased for $80 in a size XL and re-sold for a lot more. Who would have thought you could get practice jerseys with the NFL shield.

http://www.jetsshop.com/jets/product.php?productid=18313&cat=351&page=1

[kingjammy24]

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just wanted to add..

if favre wanted to deceive folks, then i'd think he'd just get red batty to order boxes of game-issued shirts, all perfectly to spec. as guy mentioned, these were deliberately altered (and poorly altered at that). i don't see favre sitting there, ordering 54/56 jerseys and then resewing size tags or handcutting numbers. favre could get as many of his game-issued shirts as he pleased. both favre and batty would have access to perfect, game-issued shirts straight from the factory. even bus cook, as favre's official agent, might have access. would thomason have such direct access to the factory to be able to order as many as he liked all by himself?

rudy.

[indyred]

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Nice work Kingjammy

Seeing side by side it is the exact jersey Favre is holding. Don't a few members here own Favre game used jerseys. Would be cool to see them posted in here and how they obtained them. I bet a follow up article is in the works just with info on this thread. Anyone else got old auctions with Favre jerseys in them with his COA to look at.

[kingjammy24]

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Also, on AMI Favre jersey. Anyone else think the jersey that Favre is holding in the picture is different than the one in the auction? I wonder who won that jersey for almost 13 large. Would love to see a close up of the photo of Favre with jersey.

no. i think the jersey that favre is holding in the photo is undoubtedly the same one sold by AMI. first, a side by side comparison:



secondly, i superimposed the AMI favre onto the jersey that favre is holding in the photo. all of the inscriptions matched their locations perfectly:



you couldn't recreate those inscriptions without laying down a grid and meticulously measuring all of the distances.

here's a photo of favre during the game 01/04/04 game that the jersey is purported to be from. as guy noted, the NFL shield is in a different location. in the game photo, the "right point" of the shield hits the first black line on the neckline. on AMI's jersey, the right point of the shield hits the second black line on the neckline. the AMI shield is lower.



1. the jersey sold by AMI is the exact same jersey being held by favre in the photo.

2. the jersey held by favre in the photo shows the specific game that favre and associates say the jersey was used in.

3. the jersey wasn't used in that game.

4. favre therefore signed a bad jersey.

i don't see how radtke could possibly be involved in favre signing bad jerseys. i don't see how this could involve some dastardly ring of counterfeiters. the jersey is bad BEFORE the hologram is even placed on it. good luck to thomason in finding the culprits.

rudy.

[mvandor]

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The saddest part of this story is that Favre provides the best provenance out there, not much more you can ask for, personal numbered holograms, signature, even a pic holding the item. If you can't trust that, the lesson is you can't trust ANYTHING.

[indyred]

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Also, on AMI Favre jersey. Anyone else think the jersey that Favre is holding in the picture is different than the one in the auction? I wonder who won that jersey for almost 13 large. Would love to see a close up of the photo of Favre with jersey.