Game Issued that appear Game Used

[jppopma]

Re: Game Issued that appear Game Used

I don't see why people are putting Steiner's error onto Andrew? If he keeps the jersey as game issued, he will have to explain the wear on it. What buyer would want to buy a game issued jersey with a story about there being wear on it... So people are suggesting that Andrew eat the fact that he would have a hard time reselling this jersey? Puts him in a bad spot.

On the issue of them recertifying the jersey, I do not see that it would set a president. Andrew is a top notch dealer with a stellar reputation, Steiner should take that into account and be able to see that he is not trying to pull a fast one. I am sure that he has done enough business with them that they are comfortable with his observations and concerns. To any other person, or dealer in lesser standing...they could say yeah right deal with it. Steiner is who issues the LOAs and really can put whatever they feel on them (how many jerseys are listed as game worn with stiff tags and no use...). Now, if Andrew returns the jersey to them for a refund based on the error -- who is to say that the jersey wont' end up back on their site in three days listed as game used with a LOA to boot??

In general, I have seen jerseys from Steiner and even from the teams themselves with a variety of errors. Game issued with team use, the common used with no use, and even time where they are listed as the wrong year (or player based on number). It all goes on and you just have to be able to explain what it is that you have. Good luck with the jersey Andrew.

[Vintagedeputy]

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I dont need to see the jersey in person. If Andrew says that the jersey appears to have game use stains and underarm smell, that's good enough for me.

Andrew wouldnt list it as GU if he didnt believe it.

[allstarsplus]

Re: Game Issued that appear Game Used

Goh - I originally listed it that way because I 100% believe it was worn at some point. With that said, I now have changed the auction title to game issued although I feel strange about that. Never have I received a game issued with armpit stink, but like Goh said, reputation is important and I am always fair. I thought the description was fair already.

Someone is going to get a nice jersey and I am afraid someone may lose the LOA and this will become a game used jersey like so many have.

Thanks for everyone's thoughts.

[bottomofthe9thonline]

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Offering to end the auction at $1,000 because that was Steiner's retail price does nothing... do whats right and change the title and description and list the jersey as game issued with a possibility of being game used (a very slim and undocumented possibility). Agreeing to sell a game issued jersey that Steiner wholesaled at retail price while still listing it as game used in the title is still not right.

[gnishiyama]

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I have to agree with the bottomofthe9th on this one. I'm surprised at AllStarsPlus on this one, that he would risk ruining his good reputation in this business listing the jersey as game-used. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that his intent is to attract bidders to his items so they can carefully read the description and come up with their own conclusion. I feel that itself is wrong since not all buyers are as educated as some of us are with game-used memorabilia and by reading Allstars title and description a somewhat uneducated buyer may easily be lead to believe that it is indeed game-used, with less of a possiblity that its not (why would there be dirt marks and odor if it were not used??).

I'm not saying there isn't a possibility that the jersey was used but more proof
needs to be presented to be allowed to be listed as GAME-USED. Theres no place for that maybe, maybe not game used in this hobby, especially from someone as good as reputation as AllStarsPlus.

Goh Nishiyama

[allstarsplus]

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Maybe that will make up for all of the game worn items with no wear that they sell. Raifie

LOL. This shows no wear except for 2 stains and a definite armpit smell.

[500goals]

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Maybe that will make up for all of the game worn items with no wear that they sell. Raifie

[allstarsplus]

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Here is the front of the jersey from May 2, not your jersey. NY is not even close to matching up. http://uspresswire.com/image/2828411

Glad to hear you are not asking to have the jersey re-certed, but you have the jersey listed as Game Used in the title of your eBay auction... you don't believe this to be mis-leading? Label it as game issued, with a slight chance that in your opinion that it could have been mis-documented by Steiner and was perhaps maybe acutally used in a game. To list it game used, espcially in your title is very misleading.

The jersey was $1,000 as a game issued on Steiner's site. This won't even reach that amount as i won't let it and have noted the auction will be ended early. Should I sell an issued jersey with armpit smell or send it back to Steiner? I offered to give it back to Steiner and my rep told me to keep it and he said Congrats as it happens both ways.

I just bought from him a jersey of a player picked up after July that didn't have the Murcer armband, mistakes happen. You can call Charles Stabile to confirm this.

This Mariano Rivera game issued jersey (unknown year) is on Steiner's site for $500 + 15% fee

http://auction.steinersports.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=102810057&prmenbr=55076099&aunbr=103156767

[bottomofthe9thonline]

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Who said anything about re-certing the jersey? The COA says Game Issued. May 2nd shows the same placement of #'s however I can't see the patches.

Here is the front of the jersey from May 2, not your jersey. NY is not even close to matching up. http://uspresswire.com/image/2828411

Glad to hear you are not asking to have the jersey re-certed, but you have the jersey listed as Game Used in the title of your eBay auction... you don't believe this to be mis-leading? Label it as game issued, with a slight chance that in your opinion that it could have been mis-documented by Steiner and was perhaps maybe acutally used in a game. To list it game used, espcially in your title is very misleading.

[shafrancollectibles.com]

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The issue is as the last poster points out, what's on the paperwork. tell yor rep to send you new "Game used" paperwork along with his congrats.....

George

This was the quote I referred to when commenting on the possibility (or lack thereof) of having an item re-certed.

[allstarsplus]

Re: Game Issued that appear Game Used

There is no way Steiner would re-cert it as Game Used nor should they. The tags are crisp as can be. The dirt marks could be explained in a variety of ways, both in favor of game use or against it as it could easily be a handling issue either before Steiner got it or within their own warehouse. What if someone buys a game issued jersey and manufactures their own "use" to it with some dirt somewhere down the line? Unless you find 100% photomatch proof of the dirt marks in game action, I can't see how it can be sold as game used.

To offer it as a game used jersey, when the Steiner COA states game issued, would be a bit mis-leading and/or deceptive.

Who said anything about re-certing the jersey? The COA says Game Issued. May 2nd shows the same placement of #'s however I can't see the patches.

[bottomofthe9thonline]

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If Steiner were willing to re-cert this jersey as game used, a horrible precedent would be set that could cause monumental problems to the game used hobby. Anyone could pick up a game issued jersey for a fraction of the price as a legit gamer and “doctor” it into being game used. We know sellers that move product without integrity play this game already. Why would Steiner EVER be willing to re-cert an item because of a few dirt marks and absolutely not one shred of evidence to prove this jersey was actually game used? This jersey should be pulled from auction as it is clearly labeled in a misleading fashion.

[shafrancollectibles.com]

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There is no way Steiner would re-cert it as Game Used nor should they. The tags are crisp as can be. The dirt marks could be explained in a variety of ways, both in favor of game use or against it as it could easily be a handling issue either before Steiner got it or within their own warehouse. What if someone buys a game issued jersey and manufactures their own "use" to it with some dirt somewhere down the line? Unless you find 100% photomatch proof of the dirt marks in game action, I can't see how it can be sold as game used.

To offer it as a game used jersey, when the Steiner COA states game issued, would be a bit mis-leading and/or deceptive.

[JETEFAN]

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A good friend of mine had the same issue a couple of years ago and was told by his Steiner rep that it was a common occurrence. It's soiling transfer from handling the game used bats, helmets, cleates etc. along with the issued stuff as it's being collected. I have also seen it many times on "issued" items. At least that was Steiners story, makes sense. The issue is as the last poster points out, what's on the paperwork. tell yor rep to send you new "Game used" paperwork along with his congrats.....

George

[gnishiyama]

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Rudy,
Steiner oftentimes sells un-washed game used jerseys.
Check out my Robinson Cano 2008 9/21/08 Final Home game used pants
that I have on ebay right now. (shameless plug )
They are filthy!
Goh