Game Issued that appear Game Used

[bottomofthe9thonline]

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I’m not sure why an educated discourse on hobby matters is turning into a tic-for-tat case of my item vs. your item - if the COA states GI on a jersey, that is how it should be sold unless proven otherwise - that is my simple point. This will be my last post, best of luck with your jersey.

[Rboitano]

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That Jeter bat doesnt look good to me. I wouldnt touch a modern Jeter or Arod LVS that wasnt double dipped to begin with. By modern I mean a 2001 to the present labeling. And the pine tar looks funky.

[allstarsplus]

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Not my intent at all. Now that the title has been changed, I have no problems with the way the jersey is listed. Best of luck.

How can you sell this as Game Used without a photomatch or Steiner COA? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=330302949545

Are you so sure of your provenance that you can call it game used?

How would you like me to question you and say I have never seen use patterns like that before on a Jeter bat?

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones is my point. You don't know me, and I don't know you, but this isn't a way to get to know each other.

[gnishiyama]

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Andrew,
This will be my last post in this thread since I see you changed the title of your listing which is all I wanted to see to begin with.

However why don't you just end the auction, and try your best to photomatch this jersey using every resource out there? You might have a potential gem in your hand. If this indeed was an error on Steiner's part why should anyone besides you benefit from their error?

Goh

[jppopma]

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Andrew, Kyle is the man for the photomatching! Here are a couple of pics that show the numbers lined up pretty close. They look like they are all lined up with the pinstripes. Best of luck! John

[allstarsplus]

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I just got a call from someone who saw this thread and said the COA says "Arm Band" and this jersey doesn't have one so they probably mixed up the jerseys.

I missed that, but at this point the auction has bids. Maybe Kyle can find a photomatch which would be very cool.

I will hold off hitting it with Febreeze.

[bottomofthe9thonline]

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You seem to now be attacking me and I don't appreciate it. I know the jersey was used, but I was being fair and posting the pic of the LOA that clearly stated GAME ISSUED and mentioned all the facts in the description.

You are now trying to bait me into something and I won't allow you to as I changed the title before any bids were made.

I put this thread up here for opinions and Goh made some great points. You have all my contact information so call me if you want to discuss this further.

Not my intent at all. Now that the title has been changed, I have no problems with the way the jersey is listed. Best of luck.

[bottomofthe9thonline]

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Just curious Bottomofthe9th, What would you do if you were in Andrew's shoes? Say you purchases a game issued jersey from Steiner and it came showing dirt all over and smelling like a$$. Like I said, you as the buyer are placed in a very bad spot by Steiner. Would you sell it like he is and risk taking a loss on it based on the discrepencies? Would you return it to Steiner? Finally, what would you do if Steiner would not take the return since it has left their control (they show game issued...)? Like I said, I'm just curious your take on it, not baiting or bashing or anything. Thanks.

Absolutely... The very first thing I would have done was try and photo match the jersey, not rush to put it on eBay. Like others have stated this can be done somewhat easily as you have the numbering and logos as well as patches to aid in helping to photo match the jersey. Honestly, I would hope like hell I was able to find a photo match because then yes it would have been a gift in disguise that would make any collector happy. If the jersey is photo matched, you can throw out the Steiner cert and use the photo match as your authenticity, what better proof can you have. But if I failed to match the jersey, the only evidence I can rely on now is that the jersey has a stain and smells... there are a million factors that could explain this... only one of them being it was worn by Mariano in a game.

Now I am in the situation Andrew is currently in. What would I do you ask? I would do exactly what he has done after revising the auction. Sell the jersey as GAME ISSUED with the possibly of maybe being game used, all while being clear to point out that a photo match was not found and their is currently no supporting evidence I could offer to back the jersey as game used other then the smell and dirt.

[allstarsplus]

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Again, I have nothing against Andrew... but this comment is troubling:

"Someone is going to get a nice jersey and I am afraid someone may lose the LOA and this will become a game used jersey like so many have."

This is exactly what you were stating it was originally in the auction.

You seem to now be attacking me and I don't appreciate it. I know the jersey was used, but I was being fair and posting the pic of the LOA that clearly stated GAME ISSUED and mentioned all the facts in the description.

You are now trying to bait me into something and I won't allow you to as I changed the title before any bids were made.

I put this thread up here for opinions and Goh made some great points. You have all my contact information so call me if you want to discuss this further.

[bottomofthe9thonline]

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Again, I have nothing against Andrew... but this comment is troubling:

"Someone is going to get a nice jersey and I am afraid someone may lose the LOA and this will become a game used jersey like so many have."

This is exactly what you were stating it was originally in the auction.

[jppopma]

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Just curious Bottomofthe9th, What would you do if you were in Andrew's shoes? Say you purchases a game issued jersey from Steiner and it came showing dirt all over and smelling like a$$. Like I said, you as the buyer are placed in a very bad spot by Steiner. Would you sell it like he is and risk taking a loss on it based on the discrepencies? Would you return it to Steiner? Finally, what would you do if Steiner would not take the return since it has left their control (they show game issued...)? Like I said, I'm just curious your take on it, not baiting or bashing or anything. Thanks.

[camarokids]

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Not a birthday present as I bought all the remaining inventory of 2008 home jerseys that the wholesale group had for the purpose of reselling.

I am probably going to spray it with Febreeze as someone may be offended getting a jersey they expect to be "new" that has a smell.

I was only kidding, I should have put a smilie.

Definitely not a bday present due to the hassle it is giving you.

Try and return it due to the potential headaches...

Good luck....

[gnishiyama]

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Andrew,
In my mind you did the right thing. Its just not worth the potential trouble it may bring. If I had your jersey, I would just return it unless I can positively photomatch which should not be that hard with all the Yankees photos available through Getty, AP, USPress, etc.

As for your comment

Someone is going to get a nice jersey and I am afraid someone may lose the LOA and this will become a game used jersey like so many have.

I'm a bit confused on what that means since you originally listed as game used and you 100% believe so.

As for Vintage

I dont need to see the jersey in person. If Andrew says that the jersey appears to have game use stains and underarm smell, that's good enough for me. Andrew wouldnt list it as GU if he didnt believe it.

That's a lot of blind trust in an item. Andrew already stated he'll sell the jersey for less than $1000. You collect Yankees right? Why don't you buy it? $1000 for a Mo jersey!? THAT'S A STEAL! Everyones happy!!

Now, if Andrew returns the jersey to them for a refund based on the error -- who is to say that the jersey wont' end up back on their site in three days listed as game used with a LOA to boot??

Valid point but what Steiner does later will not be resting on Andrew's reputation or conscience

Regardless I think you did the right thing and its obvious you have been for a long time since you have tons of supporters.
Goh

[bottomofthe9thonline]

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"So people are suggesting that Andrew eat the fact that he would have a hard time reselling this jersey? Puts him in a bad spot."

Yes, your right... So lets give anyone a free pass to mis-represent a jersey so they have no problem selling it to someone who doesn't do all their homework.

I have nothing against AllStarsPlus and commend him for editing his auction.

[allstarsplus]

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maybe someone was eating ice cream or a candy bar while "processing" the jerseys???

as far as the smell, someone could have tried them on who didn't use their right guard that day???

or maybe you got lucky, an extra b-day present??

Not a birthday present as I bought all the remaining inventory of 2008 home jerseys that the wholesale group had for the purpose of reselling.

I am probably going to spray it with Febreeze as someone may be offended getting a jersey they expect to be "new" that has a smell.

On the issue of them recertifying the jersey, I do not see that it would set a president. Andrew is a top notch dealer with a stellar reputation, Steiner should take that into account and be able to see that he is not trying to pull a fast one. I am sure that he has done enough business with them that they are comfortable with his observations and concerns. To any other person, or dealer in lesser standing...they could say yeah right deal with it. Steiner is who issues the LOAs and really can put whatever they feel on them (how many jerseys are listed as game worn with stiff tags and no use...). Now, if Andrew returns the jersey to them for a refund based on the error -- who is to say that the jersey wont' end up back on their site in three days listed as game used with a LOA to boot??

All great points, but I won't even ask Steiner to do that as it left their warehouse as game issued. I have actually returned jerseys they have made mistakes on and have an Ivan Rodriguez without an armband I have to return as it wasn't worn by him.

I dont need to see the jersey in person. If Andrew says that the jersey appears to have game use stains and underarm smell, that's good enough for me.

Andrew wouldnt list it as GU if he didnt believe it.

I think I feel better changing the description back to game issued as it isn't worth the hassle.