$30,000 Namath Helmet?

[aeneas01]

Re: $30,000 Namath Helmet?

easier to keep track with a fun gauge! watch the needle move with each bad helmet!



rudy.

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[aeneas01]

Re: $30,000 Namath Helmet?

...Schutt OPO mask not his usual Riddell two bar.

the thing is, washington did sport an opo mask for a very brief time when with the colts, although i've never been able to dig up a game photo. however he can be seen wearing an opo during arguably the best game of his career which took place on monday night football - i believe that the game can be found on youtube or at nfl films' website...

Further proof/confirmation on the Griese / Wilson 'gamer' from the 1977 Wilson catalog page for the F2101. Notice the new for 77 logo, which I can confirm it was indeed new as it was NOT in the 1976 Wilson catalog.

but i guess if you were an nfl superstar you could get your hands on it a little early! stabler in 1976...

Psst... Anyone got an old Dungard laying around??? Notice the large oversize numbers on the rear... Never drilled for a mask.

dang, those numbers look familiar!



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[yosef777]

Re: $30,000 Namath Helmet?

Further proof/confirmation on the Griese / Wilson 'gamer' from the 1977 Wilson catalog page for the F2101. Notice the new for 77 logo, which I can confirm it was indeed new as it was NOT in the 1976 Wilson catalog.

[helmets]

Re: $30,000 Namath Helmet?

here's a $12,000 doozie...



the lot description states that the helmet is a "1974-75 bob griese game-worn dolphins helmet". below are game photos of griese during the 1973, 1974 and 1975 seasons - not a wilson in the bunch. obviously tons more exist of this well photographed hall of famer, easily accessible to anyone interested, and not one i've come across shows griese sporting a wilson.



and how about this - the photo on the left is the ami helmet and the photo on the right is yet another wilson f-2101 griese "gamer" that sold at both leland's and grey flannel for around $3,500. however this one was listed as a 1968-70 griese "gamer" - this is particularly interesting given that wilson didn't introduce the f-2101 until the mid '70s afaik. and like the $12,000 ami helmet, the $3,500 helmet has griese's sig as well....



so what are we up to? namath $30,000, buchanan $4,500, griese $12,000, other griese $3,500 x 2 = over $50,000 smackaroos... ouch.

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Psst...
Anyone got an old Dungard laying around???
Notice the large oversize numbers on the rear...
Never drilled for a mask.

[yosef777]

Re: $30,000 Namath Helmet?

My fault, I just realized I confused the Helmet Hut Joe Washington Colts / Kelley which has the decals and stripe on top of the shell. The AMI has the decals and stripe under the shell. I included the Helmet Hut photos below.

[yosef777]

Re: $30,000 Namath Helmet?

Here is the Joe Washington Colts /Kelley I mentioned

[yosef777]

Re: $30,000 Namath Helmet?

The photos of Joe Washington with his Falcons / Kelley helmet looks like the decals and stripes are on top of the shell? (The stripes are covering the center holes on top of the shell.)
The same AMI auction that had the Falcons / MaxPro also had Joe's Colts / Kelley helmet. This 'gamer' had the Colt decal and stripe on top of the shell and a white, Schutt OPO mask not his usual Riddell two bar.

[kingjammy24]

Re: $30,000 Namath Helmet?

easier to keep track with a fun gauge! watch the needle move with each bad helmet!



rudy.

[kingjammy24]

Re: $30,000 Namath Helmet?

$56,500 worth of bad helmets thus far. any bets to see if $100k can be reached?

rudy.

[aeneas01]

Re: $30,000 Namath Helmet?

and what about this $1,500 "1985 joe washington game-worn, signed falcons helmet" sold by ami? i guess if a player scribbles his name on a lid then, just like that, it becomes his gamer, eh?

although washington did wear a clear shell helmet throughout his career, and the ami helmet is indeed a clear shell helmet, most helmet collectors know that washington was a kelley clear shell guy, not a maxpro clear shell guy. and the $1,500 ami helmet is a maxpro...





here are a couple of 1985 photos of washington in action during his final year, and his only year with the falcons... clearly, no pun intended, not a maxpro, but a kelley - just like what he wore when at oklahoma, san diego, baltimore and washington...



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[aeneas01]

Re: $30,000 Namath Helmet?

how about this $5,000 "1974-75 merlin olsen game-worn la rams helmet" sold by ami?



olsen was an early adopter of riddell's new cell helmets, switched to one when they hit the scene, and apparently had no problem trading in the suspension model for good which he had worn for close to ten years. but the ami helmet is a pac3, not the type of cell helmet olsen and many other rams players chose to wear in the early '70s. instead olsen opted for a riddell microfit (or ha) fluid-filled cell helmet.

the helmet on the left is a riddell pac3 (ami's "olsen gamer"), the helmet on the right is the type of riddell helmet olsen actually wore during the era in question. it's usually somewhat easy to spot the difference between a pac3 and a microfit type helmet in game photos given that the bulging/protruding air valves along the center ridge of microfit helmets is usually evident, even when covered with protective tape or striping. pac3 helmets have no such air valves.




here are a a few photos of olsen spanning 1972-1976...



now here are some closeups of the above photos, note the air/fluid-filled cells and air valves circled in red...




btw you gotta love the brand spankin' new dymo tape with olsen's name on it featured in the ami lid!

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[aeneas01]

Re: $30,000 Namath Helmet?

As I read this thread, I just started to laugh because about 2 weeks ago, I happened to pick-up a Dolphins Salesman sample Wilson made helmet - model F2101 with original striping and helmet logos. As always, you're right on the money.

Jim

flaa1a@comcast.net

another thing about these wilson f-2101 dolphin helmets, they were all fitted with pre-1974 decals. as you know, the dolphins changed their decals after the 1973 season, albeit the change was rather subtle. the left photo shows the pre-1974 logo which the wilson helmets were fitted with (dolphin head inside of the circle), the right photo is the post-1973 logo (dolphin head beyond the circle). of course the $12,000 griese "gamer", claimed to be griese's 1974/1975 lid, isn't even fitted with the correct logos - griese's 1974/1975 helmet would have been fitted with the logos on the right, but ami's $12k lid was fitted with the logos on the left...



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[cohibasmoker]

Re: $30,000 Namath Helmet?

here's a $12,000 doozie...

this helmet was sold as a 1974-75 bob griese "gamer" by ami a few years ago. it's a wilson f-2101 model which was worn at the pro level by a few players, most notably ken stabler. but is there any evidence whatsoever that griese ever sported a wilson f-2101? absolutely none that i can find. i do believe that wilson put together many salesman samples of these helmets, dressed in team logos, which have made it into the hobby, some becoming "gamers". not sure how anyone could have dropped this kind of cash on this thing...

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the lot description states that the helmet is a "1974-75 bob griese game-worn dolphins helmet". below are game photos of griese during the 1973, 1974 and 1975 seasons - not a wilson in the bunch. obviously tons more exist of this well photographed hall of famer, easily accessible to anyone interested, and not one i've come across shows griese sporting a wilson.



and how about this - the photo on the left is the ami helmet and the photo on the right is yet another wilson f-2101 griese "gamer" that sold at both leland's and grey flannel for around $3,500. however this one was listed as a 1968-70 griese "gamer" - this is particularly interesting given that wilson didn't introduce the f-2101 until the mid '70s afaik. and like the $12,000 ami helmet, the $3,500 helmet has griese's sig as well....



so what are we up to? namath $30,000, buchanan $4,500, griese $12,000, other griese $3,500 x 2 = over $50,000 smackaroos... ouch.

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As I read this thread, I just started to laugh because about 2 weeks ago, I happened to pick-up a Dolphins Salesman sample Wilson made helmet - model F2101 with original striping and helmet logos. As always, you're right on the money.

Jim

flaa1a@comcast.net

[Vikingshelmetguy]

Re: $30,000 Namath Helmet?

Thanks for the clarification Robert. I would hate for anyone to jump to conclusions and take my posts the wrong way...

Appreciate it.

Helmets and Aeneas01, please excuse my ignorance: Although I am a total helmet nerd, I did not immediately recognize or realize that Rams RK helmet as being the same one that recently sold at Hunt and that "Helmets" was the winner and that he had turned it into a Deacon Jones lid. Helmets, wow, you had me fooled: That's one heck of a Deacon Jones reproduction! Its a very nice looking RK Rams helmet either way! With this said, I quickly surmised from your (Robert/Aeneas01) great and humorous post of how Helmets converted the Hunt helmet into the Deacon Jones helmet, and Helmet's wry reply back, that there was some sort of playful and inside exchange of laughs going on between you two (Helmets and Aeneas01). No confusion on my end now, and the humor was quickly understood and highly appreciated on my end! I laughed very much at your photos Aeneas01! I especially like the photos of the gal with the can of cleaning spray, and the Dymo tape machine! I am glad my posting about the Deacon helmet triggered the great and funny exchange between you two guys (Helmet and Robert/Aeneas01)!

[helmets]

Re: $30,000 Namath Helmet?

Thanks for the clarification Robert. I would hate for anyone to jump to conclusions and take my posts the wrong way...

Appreciate it.