josportsco and LeBron James game worn MUST READ

[josportsco]

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thanks again josportsco-It just has always confused me when i hear players say they always keep thier game used items but yet you see them on the market.And when you said that about james saying that (as i thought you said,he said that and not the person close to him said that)and thats why i asked you this.I mean who owns the game used items,the player or the team.I mean they can't make the player give thier or sell thier game used items to meigray can they.I know nba auction is a different story as i'm sure they can make a player do that.thanks again for your great insight on this

The teams own the equipment. Not the league nor the player own the equipment. The players have the right to take jersey(s) and the team will charge the player on their paycheck. Each team is different. Depending on the team and player, some can take as many as they want and some can only take only 1 or 2. I am sure a guy like LeBron, Manning can do what they want. A lot of the teams will GIVE the NFL athlete 1 shirt at the end of the year and that is it. It just depends on the team and the stature of the player.

[sportscentury]

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thanks again josportsco-It just has always confused me when i hear players say they always keep thier game used items but yet you see them on the market.And when you said that about james saying that (as i thought you said,he said that and not the person close to him said that)and thats why i asked you this.I mean who owns the game used items,the player or the team.I mean they can't make the player give thier or sell thier game used items to meigray can they.I know nba auction is a different story as i'm sure they can make a player do that.thanks again for your great insight on this

Joba, I'm not sure what you're asking in your posts. To be clear, MeiGray has contracts with the NBA and several NBA teams. They don't have a contract with LeBron. When they get LeBron jerseys, it's either through their NBA contract, or because individuals have submitted them to MeiGray for photomatching. The NBA does not provide jerseys to MeiGray that are owned by the players (how could they?).

There continue to be a lot of questions asked about MeiGray on GUU. I again strongly encourage folks to contact Barry/MeiGray directly. They are accessible, informative, and professional.

[xpress34]

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The teams own the equipment. Not the league nor the player own the equipment. The players have the right to take jersey(s) and the team will charge the player on their paycheck. Each team is different. Depending on the team and player, some can take as many as they want and some can only take only 1 or 2. I am sure a guy like LeBron, Manning can do what they want. A lot of the teams will GIVE the NFL athlete 1 shirt at the end of the year and that is it. It just depends on the team and the stature of the player.

This is true for MLB as well - as least for the Rockies. I have asked a few guys I got to know over the years working for Nike and Rawlings and was told if I wanted a jersey, they would get me one, but I would have to pay whatever the team charged them for the jersey... of course this was 1st and 2nd year players... Veterans and Stars get much more consideration.

That is why the Rockies (like most teams) sell GU jerseys through their stores.

- Chris

[jobathenut]

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sportscentury-I in no way was questioning meigray,i don't know them and am not saying anything bad about them.My whole point was that josports said that james said he does'nt give away his jerseys.And my point was if that was the case,how come you see them on the market,like how does meigray get them than.I was just using them as a example as they were the ones mentioned by others on here.And it was also said on here that the team and not the player own the equipment such as jerseys.So why would meigray need a contract with a individual player to get his items,if they have contract with the teams should'nt that be good enough.And it's a little confusing,you say that meigray has contact with the nba but then you say that they don't provide jerseys to them and you add how could they.Well if they have a contract,isn;t that providing jerseys for them?.Anyway,all i was asking in my post,if a player says he does not give out his items,than how do people get them.

Joba, I'm not sure what you're asking in your posts. To be clear, MeiGray has contracts with the NBA and several NBA teams. They don't have a contract with LeBron. When they get LeBron jerseys, it's either through their NBA contract, or because individuals have submitted them to MeiGray for photomatching. The NBA does not provide jerseys to MeiGray that are owned by the players (how could they?).

There continue to be a lot of questions asked about MeiGray on GUU. I again strongly encourage folks to contact Barry/MeiGray directly. They are accessible, informative, and professional.

[allstarsplus]

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Not only that, where are all these "game tagged" jerseys coming from? This to me is a bigger mystery than where all these perfectly tagged Derek Jeter "Non-Steiner" jerseys came from as that had a more logical explanation.

I am specifically talking about the LeBron Reebok rookie era with extra length added and perfectly tagged and all the others on every year since.....

Rudy - It is my opinion with all those Jeter jerseys that Steiner sold un-used game issued that the holograms were removed and re-sold as game used with no Steiner documentation.

On the LeBron jerseys, there has to be a source and you would think Reebok knows where they go and have some sort of quality control on these so you would hope that at some point there is a logical explanation.

[kingjammy24]

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"Rudy - It is my opinion with all those Jeter jerseys that Steiner sold un-used game issued that the holograms were removed and re-sold as game used with no Steiner documentation."

maybe. but what would go for more money; a legit game-issued jeter with steiner docs or a jeter "gamer" with a big question mark hanging over it in light of the fact that it's missing steiner docs?

i don't know if that'd account for all of them. steiner never offered a dozen jeter game-issues.

years ago joel alpert was selling yankees procuts as "game issued" on ebay. they had strip tagging with player ids, customizations, etc. in selling them, joel saw nothing wrong with billing them as "game issued" even though he admitted they'd never been anywhere near yankee stadium. why not then simply sell them as "procuts"? clearly there was more money to be made selling them as "game issued". in some recent thread about a celtics shirt missing a shamrock, joel wondered where that procut came from. maybe it came from the same source as his own procuts. i mention all of this because as someone who's acquired yankee procuts, maybe joel could tell us where he got them from.

where does jersey-joe get his NBA pro-cuts? he used to sell boatloads of lebrons. now he's got dwayne wade, iverson, and carmelo. how did he acquire so many boxloads? they're very different from what's available on nba.com.

"On the LeBron jerseys, there has to be a source and you would think Reebok knows where they go and have some sort of quality control on these so you would hope that at some point there is a logical explanation."

the assumption here being that reebok wouldn't sell them to anyone but lebron/the cavs? maybe reebok does in fact sell them to some other select buyers. i'm sure if the ordinary joe called them up and asked for 3 boxes of lebron "game issued" jerseys, he'd be given a no-go but who knows what reebok does for insiders/VIPs/friends/investors, etc. clearly the shirts are not available for typical retail sale and clearly they're leaving the factory in boxloads. given how long this whole procut thing has been going on, i can't imagine they're being stolen out of the factory. i imagine the manufacturers are releasing them legitimately. otherwise, wouldn't there've been a news story somewhere at some point about these inside thefts? there are too many of these shirts around for them to have come from an employee or two lifting a couple here and there. as i said, jersey-joe had tons of them.

i remember around 2006 or so, boatloads of properly tagged david ortiz jerseys were everywhere. the quantities were staggering. that said, i also remember hearing that various people could call up majestic and order themselves some properly-tagged ortiz shirts; i even heard that players could call up and order other players' shirts. is it possible that some lowly NBA benchwarmer is ordering boxloads of lebron shirts?

rudy.

[sportscentury]

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sportscentury-I in no way was questioning meigray,i don't know them and am not saying anything bad about them.My whole point was that josports said that james said he does'nt give away his jerseys.And my point was if that was the case,how come you see them on the market,like how does meigray get them than.I was just using them as a example as they were the ones mentioned by others on here.And it was also said on here that the team and not the player own the equipment such as jerseys.So why would meigray need a contract with a individual player to get his items,if they have contract with the teams should'nt that be good enough.And it's a little confusing,you say that meigray has contact with the nba but then you say that they don't provide jerseys to them and you add how could they.Well if they have a contract,isn;t that providing jerseys for them?.Anyway,all i was asking in my post,if a player says he does not give out his items,than how do people get them.

Joba, I think you need to re-read my post. I wrote: "The NBA does not provide jerseys to MeiGray that are owned by the players (how could they?)." Any contract between the NBA (or an NBA team) and MeiGray would not be for items owned by an individual player. MeiGray (or any company) would only need a contract with an individual player if it were interested in the individual player's personally owned items (e.g., shoes, head-bands, arm-sleeves). Jerseys may or may not be included in this. I'm not sure that some teams have a tight grip on their jerseys. For example, All Star Authentic gets some game worn jerseys (I photomatched one) from Carmelo Anthony, along with Melo's shoes and other items.

I know you were not saying anything bad about MeiGray - don't worry. I understand that your question was how would MeiGray end up with LeBron jerseys for which they did not contract with the NBA or Cavaliers (i.e., the ones that were submitted to them for photomatching by individuals). The ones that were submitted for photomatching were likely submitted by individuals who have extremely close contacts with the Cavs or LeBron ... mind you, this is just my common sense guess. I think Jarrod's point was that a lot of (the vast majority) of LeBron jerseys floating around are just game issued. I'm sure Jarrod would agree that some (perhaps a very small amount) have slipped through the Cavs' hands, most likely by LeBron giving some away to those who are close to him (his Four Horsemen crew, family, etc.). As Jarrod mentioned, it is not unusual for mega-stars to be given much more freedom when it comes to doing as they please with team-owned property such as their jerseys.

I hope this helps and clears up some things. If not, perhaps some others can chime in and better frame what I'm trying to explain.

[sportscentury]

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otherwise, wouldn't there've been a news story somewhere at some point about these inside thefts? there are too many of these shirts around for them to have come from an employee or two lifting a couple here and there. as i said, jersey-joe had tons of them.

Is this the seller on eBay with all of the NBA jerseys for sale? I forget the userid.

[kingjammy24]

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Is this the seller on eBay with all of the NBA jerseys for sale? I forget the userid.

not sure who you're referring to.

jersey-joe = www.jersey-joe.com

http://www.jersey-joe.com/bask_rbk_nba_procuts.html

rudy.

[allstarsplus]

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"Troy don't owe Rudy anything but a lawsuit for slander" - Joel Alpert

I'm not a lawyer but I think slander is for verbal communication and libel is for written words so I don't think you probably don't have to worry about a slander suit. LOL

[Texans]

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Josportsco,

Could you find out when did they start putting the Cavs Patch on the opposite side of the jersey tag. I notice on Meigray auction that all Lebron jersey had them.

http://auctions.nba.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=105136991&prmenbr=51136034&aunbr=105483701

Jojo

[sportscentury]

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Josportsco,

Could you find out when did they start putting the Cavs Patch on the opposite side of the jersey tag. I notice on Meigray auction that all Lebron jersey had them.

http://auctions.nba.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=105136991&prmenbr=51136034&aunbr=105483701

Jojo

I was told that the Cavs have done this since the 06-07 season. Jarrod can correct me if this is wrong.

[jobathenut]

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sportscentury-I understood your post,but if meigray has a contract with the nba,then logic says they do provide jerseys as the jerseys(as it's been said on here) are owned by the team therefor the nba.I'm sure that a player who has bought a jersey proberly under the contract can't sell thier jersey's to another dealer other than meigray.And if this is true that the team owns the eguipment(i.e-shoes,jerseys,shorts,arm bands)than why would they need a individual contract with the players,as they already have a contract with the league and team.But anyway,my whole point before this went ot,was that it was said james does'nt give away his jerseys and i was just asking how come wyou see so many of them on the market.And like you said they are proberly game issued being sold as game used,or they were gifts from james and they have sold them(hey nice friends to profit from a gift).Anyway,thanks for the insight i understand better.

Joba, I think you need to re-read my post. I wrote: "The NBA does not provide jerseys to MeiGray that are owned by the players (how could they?)." Any contract between the NBA (or an NBA team) and MeiGray would not be for items owned by an individual player. MeiGray (or any company) would only need a contract with an individual player if it were interested in the individual player's personally owned items (e.g., shoes, head-bands, arm-sleeves). Jerseys may or may not be included in this. I'm not sure that some teams have a tight grip on their jerseys. For example, All Star Authentic gets some game worn jerseys (I photomatched one) from Carmelo Anthony, along with Melo's shoes and other items.

I know you were not saying anything bad about MeiGray - don't worry. I understand that your question was how would MeiGray end up with LeBron jerseys for which they did not contract with the NBA or Cavaliers (i.e., the ones that were submitted to them for photomatching by individuals). The ones that were submitted for photomatching were likely submitted by individuals who have extremely close contacts with the Cavs or LeBron ... mind you, this is just my common sense guess. I think Jarrod's point was that a lot of (the vast majority) of LeBron jerseys floating around are just game issued. I'm sure Jarrod would agree that some (perhaps a very small amount) have slipped through the Cavs' hands, most likely by LeBron giving some away to those who are close to him (his Four Horsemen crew, family, etc.). As Jarrod mentioned, it is not unusual for mega-stars to be given much more freedom when it comes to doing as they please with team-owned property such as their jerseys.

I hope this helps and clears up some things. If not, perhaps some others can chime in and better frame what I'm trying to explain.

[josportsco]

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I was told that the Cavs have done this since the 06-07 season. Jarrod can correct me if this is wrong.

Not sure when they started, I thought 07-08. I am not a LBJ or Cavs expert. Just looking to obtain his equiptment directly through him. Also NO on the Cavs patch. Not all Cavs or King James jerseys have that tag on them. Maybe all the ones that go to Meigray do, but not all of them. This is fact!!

[sportscentury]

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Not sure when they started, I thought 07-08. I am not a LBJ or Cavs expert. Just looking to obtain his equiptment directly through him. Also NO on the Cavs patch. Not all Cavs or King James jerseys have that tag on them. Maybe all the ones that go to Meigray do, but not all of them. This is fact!!

Jojo's post stated that he saw the Cavs patch on all of the MeiGray LeBron jerseys, not all LeBron jerseys.