o/t-nba finals thread-lakers vs magic

[cordovacollector]

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I'm sorry,what world series did knoblauch cost the yankees?

I may have my years wrong but when Knobby got the Yips and couldn't make throws from 2nd to first, or when he let a fair ball run free and stood there arguing with the ump like a T-Baller instead of chasing down the fair ball. Not to mention he nearly killed Don Zimmer ... but that could have been anyone ... and it did lead to the funniest photo of the year the next day with Zimmie in the dugout with his WWII helmet on. Didn't that cost the Yanks that playoff series with Boston?

Jus' sayin' it could happen to Kobe. Couldn't happen to a more deserving ....

Really guys, I do apologize if I have stepped on toes. I like the Lakers and always have because of the MN connection. But Kobe I have no time for.

[mr.miracle]

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Everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion. What I find to be hilarious at times is the general level of hatred directed toward the Lakers. I guess sucess breeds contempt as the old saying goes. Making their 30th appearance in the finals, I can understand that people want to see someone else. That being said, from a purely entertaining perspective, can anyone outside of San Antonio really say that they would rather see the Spurs in the finals. They are efficient but BORING to watch.

I guess it is like the Celtics in the playoffs. As a Lakers fan of course I hate the Celtics but at some point I try to be objective although I must admit I was completely shocked by last years finals results.

To give an example, I have been monitoring several chat boards throughout the playoffs and the same people keep coming on there every single series starting with the Lakers Jazz and saying Lakers will lose, and on and on it goes. Obviously, those people just don't like the Lakers and cannot be objective in any capacity and are hoping that anybody takes them down. If these people speaking from a completely objective standpoint then they don't know a thing about basketball.

Anyway, this should be a very good series but the sudden influx of new Orlando fans is getting old. I cannot tell you how many people are coming up with just ridiculous statements like the Magic have a much more dominant front line and will crush the Lakers. (Take away Howard and what about their front line is in any way intimidating). I have even read people saying that this Magic starting five is better than the Celtics starting five of last year. Come on, again I hate the Celtics but they have three HOF players in their starting lineup the Magic have none. Howard may be there someday but is not even close yet. People are just not being reasonable but that is sports.

[sox83cubs84]

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I learned not to bet against the team you sentimentally want to win. It creates a conflict that makes the games/series less enjoyable.

I'll go one step further, David. Call it karma, bad luck, or whatever, but when I used to make bets on sports (fun bets with friends and family, not Vegas action), I not only used to bet with my heart instead of my brains, but every beloved team I supported in a bet LOST. It happened in 1984 and 1989 with the Cubs, it happened with several Bears games (not SBXX, thank God), and the last straw was the 1996 World Series. My wife, who loves the Yankees but knows nothing about the game itself, bet me on the winner of the 1996 WS...this AFTER the Braves won the first 2 games! I take the bet ($10), and what happens? Yanks win 4 straight and the Series . The only redeeming feature was that I was so bummed out by that set of circumstances that my wife let me off the hook for the $10 . Since then I have never placed a sports-related bet on any team or any league.

Fast-forward to 2008: an autograph collecting friend in Nevada goes into a casino and places a wager on the Cubs winning the NL pennant, dropping $5, and giving me the ticket as a gift. Of course, we all know what happened to the Cubs in the NLDS. Even when someone else places the bet with their money, the Miedema curse STILL lives on.

Dave M.
Chicago area

[cordovacollector]

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Didn't that cost the Yanks that playoff series with Boston?

Ahhhh, I stand corrected. Shoulda got my facts straight first. Sorry! It didn't cost them the playoffs or the WS and it wasn't Boston, it was Cleveland.

In the postseason against the Cleveland Indians, Knoblauch committed a serious blunder, arguing with an umpire as play continued. Instead of chasing down the ball that was in play, Knoblauch argued with the umpire as Enrique Wilson scored from first base, giving Cleveland a 2-1 lead in the 12th inning. The Indians would go on to win the game 4-1. A New York newspaper called him "Blauch-head."[3] However, Knoblauch recovered and was an important factor in the World Series victory over the San Diego Padres. The Yankees won the American League pennant every year he was with the team, winning three World Series championships....

Toward the end of his career, Knoblauch's performance at the plate also grew worse, with many observers believing he was preoccupied by his fielding troubles and trying too hard to hit home runs. Knoblauch was benched in the final game of the 2001 World Series (he hit just .056)....

Once considered one of the game's best fielders (in fact, ESPN personalities nicknamed him "Fundamentally Sound" Chuck Knoblauch), Knoblauch's play deteriorated shortly into his Yankee career. In 1999 he began to have difficulty making accurate throws to first base, a condition sometimes referred to in baseball as "the yips" or "Steve Blass Disease". By 2000, the problem had grown serious enough that he began seeing more playing time as a designated hitter.
Knoblauch tried various solutions to his problem, but his throwing would not improve. He made an unprecedented number of throwing errors, routinely making abnormal throws out of the reach of the first baseman. (During one game, an errant throw sailed into the crowd and hit sportscaster Keith Olbermann's mother in the face.)[4] Stumping commentators, fans, and himself, Knoblauch never fully recovered his throwing accuracy. He was reassigned to left field by manager Joe Torre, never to return to his old position.

Sorry for taking the thread so far off topic. I do like the Lakers but it is my not-so-humble opinion that I think Kobe might "Chuck" it. Go Magic!

[jobathenut]

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Oh,you're talking about the season where knoblauch's dad passed away and he was dealing with that and he affected his play on the field.And no it did'nt cost the yankkes a playoff or world series.Man i really hate haters

I may have my years wrong but when Knobby got the Yips and couldn't make throws from 2nd to first, or when he let a fair ball run free and stood there arguing with the ump like a T-Baller instead of chasing down the fair ball. Not to mention he nearly killed Don Zimmer ... but that could have been anyone ... and it did lead to the funniest photo of the year the next day with Zimmie in the dugout with his WWII helmet on. Didn't that cost the Yanks that playoff series with Boston?

Jus' sayin' it could happen to Kobe. Couldn't happen to a more deserving ....

Really guys, I do apologize if I have stepped on toes. I like the Lakers and always have because of the MN connection. But Kobe I have no time for.

[jobathenut]

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Again miracle-BRAVO-My biggest pet peeve is haters,that just hate for no reason.I mean there are players and teams i don't like ,but i don't disrespect them or "hate" them with nicknames etc.I can't stand when like i'm at a timber wolves game vs the lakers in minnesota and they boo kobe,and i'm like,"you're booing a hall of famer.You can not like someone and still have some class.I guess you can put the lakers with the yankees,when you're that good,people hate a winner.Which is funny,saying the lakers havent won since 2003 and the yankees 2000.But yet i still hear people say when im at twins game vs the yankees in minnesota,"yeah,but you guys buy championships".And i tell them,can they get a refund cause they havent won in years.To me come with some stats or something if you say kobe isnt that good.Or at leats like you say,have some reasonable tought into your arguments and why you don't like someone.

Everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion. What I find to be hilarious at times is the general level of hatred directed toward the Lakers. I guess sucess breeds contempt as the old saying goes. Making their 30th appearance in the finals, I can understand that people want to see someone else. That being said, from a purely entertaining perspective, can anyone outside of San Antonio really say that they would rather see the Spurs in the finals. They are efficient but BORING to watch.

I guess it is like the Celtics in the playoffs. As a Lakers fan of course I hate the Celtics but at some point I try to be objective although I must admit I was completely shocked by last years finals results.

To give an example, I have been monitoring several chat boards throughout the playoffs and the same people keep coming on there every single series starting with the Lakers Jazz and saying Lakers will lose, and on and on it goes. Obviously, those people just don't like the Lakers and cannot be objective in any capacity and are hoping that anybody takes them down. If these people speaking from a completely objective standpoint then they don't know a thing about basketball.

Anyway, this should be a very good series but the sudden influx of new Orlando fans is getting old. I cannot tell you how many people are coming up with just ridiculous statements like the Magic have a much more dominant front line and will crush the Lakers. (Take away Howard and what about their front line is in any way intimidating). I have even read people saying that this Magic starting five is better than the Celtics starting five of last year. Come on, again I hate the Celtics but they have three HOF players in their starting lineup the Magic have none. Howard may be there someday but is not even close yet. People are just not being reasonable but that is sports.

[jobathenut]

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Yeah,so knobluach cost them maybe this game,you said series.Take the hater glasses off.That year the yankees won the world series,and what do you know ,they did it even though knoblauch was on the team.But of course you're not going to give him any credit for that,Haters don't do that.You minnesota fans really need to get off knoblauch,and build a bridge and get over it.

Ahhhh, I stand corrected. Shoulda got my facts straight first. Sorry! It didn't cost them the playoffs or the WS and it wasn't Boston, it was Cleveland.

In the postseason against the Cleveland Indians, Knoblauch committed a serious blunder, arguing with an umpire as play continued. Instead of chasing down the ball that was in play, Knoblauch argued with the umpire as Enrique Wilson scored from first base, giving Cleveland a 2-1 lead in the 12th inning. The Indians would go on to win the game 4-1. A New York newspaper called him "Blauch-head."[3] However, Knoblauch recovered and was an important factor in the World Series victory over the San Diego Padres. The Yankees won the American League pennant every year he was with the team, winning three World Series championships....

Toward the end of his career, Knoblauch's performance at the plate also grew worse, with many observers believing he was preoccupied by his fielding troubles and trying too hard to hit home runs. Knoblauch was benched in the final game of the 2001 World Series (he hit just .056)....

Once considered one of the game's best fielders (in fact, ESPN personalities nicknamed him "Fundamentally Sound" Chuck Knoblauch), Knoblauch's play deteriorated shortly into his Yankee career. In 1999 he began to have difficulty making accurate throws to first base, a condition sometimes referred to in baseball as "the yips" or "Steve Blass Disease". By 2000, the problem had grown serious enough that he began seeing more playing time as a designated hitter.

Knoblauch tried various solutions to his problem, but his throwing would not improve. He made an unprecedented number of throwing errors, routinely making abnormal throws out of the reach of the first baseman. (During one game, an errant throw sailed into the crowd and hit sportscaster Keith Olbermann's mother in the face.)[4] Stumping commentators, fans, and himself, Knoblauch never fully recovered his throwing accuracy. He was reassigned to left field by manager Joe Torre, never to return to his old position.

Sorry for taking the thread so far off topic. I do like the Lakers but it is my not-so-humble opinion that I think Kobe might "Chuck" it. Go Magic!

[cordovacollector]

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Or at leats like you say,have some reasonable tought into your arguments and why you don't like someone.

Well, if that's all you need. I don't like "players" that beat women.

[cordovacollector]

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Oh,you're talking about the season where knoblauch's dad passed away and he was dealing with that and he affected his play on the field.

Not quite. Ray passed away in March of 2002.

[both-teams-played-hard]

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My biggest pet peeve is haters,that just hate for no reason.

Kobe said he might as well play college basketball if he had to play in a place like Charlotte, NC. Charlotte traded away his rights instead of losing a draft pick.

Kobe cheated on his wife and child.

Kobe "almost" raped that woman in Denver.

Kobe threw Shaq under the bus and ratted him out.

Kobe is better than you.

Kobe, how my ash taste?

Kobe punched his teammateSamaki Walker over $500.

Who in the NBA respects Kobe Bryant?

I hate Kobe.

[sportscentury]

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What in the world does this have to do with Chuck Knoblauch? Or even the Lakers' chances in the finals for that matter? Another otherwise good thread down the drain.

[Mr.3000]

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I don't typically say I "hate" anyone. Hate is a pretty strong feeling.


I will say however, that I can't stand Kobe. I place him right up there with Iverson, Rasheed and Sprewell....my listed of NBA players I can't stand. Carmelo is very close to making that list as well.


I dislike them for a multitude of reason...mostly their attitudes and how they conduct themselves. Do I have any say in how they act? Nope, nor do I want any say. But I can choose whether or not to "like" them...follow their careers or whether or not to purchase any merchandise depicting their likeness'.

[jobathenut]

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sportscentury-yeah,i agree with you.I started this thread as i thought we all could just talk about all the games of the finals on just one thread.I apologize as i took the bait and went off topic with posters like cordova,who was ripping on knoblach.I just hate haters and had to say something about it.

What in the world does this have to do with Chuck Knoblauch? Or even the Lakers' chances in the finals for that matter? Another otherwise good thread down the drain.

[mr.miracle]

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I am reading late last night and today that the Magic are seriously evaluating whether or not Jameer Nelson can go. Previously he had been listed as out for the season in February with a serious shoulder injury. This could be huge one way or the other as there was previously no indication that Nelson would even possibly be able to play in these playoffs. Nelson lit up the Lakers the last three times they played and being a small fast guard would give the Lakers fits. This could possibly be a major change on the dynamic of this series if in fact Nelson can go and contribute in a meaningful way.

[jobathenut]

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Miracle-I'm not familier with him.I did see that though.But how much good would he do coming off that injury.I think thta's what it would be all about.It's one thing to be able to come back to play.But the real question is how he will come back,and if his play will be the same it was before he left with that injury.Who would the lakers put on him?

I am reading late last night and today that the Magic are seriously evaluating whether or not Jameer Nelson can go. Previously he had been listed as out for the season in February with a serious shoulder injury. This could be huge one way or the other as there was previously no indication that Nelson would even possibly be able to play in these playoffs. Nelson lit up the Lakers the last three times they played and being a small fast guard would give the Lakers fits. This could possibly be a major change on the dynamic of this series if in fact Nelson can go and contribute in a meaningful way.