November pick-ups

[kingjammy24]

Re: November pick-ups

...Ryan is signing with Emil of Locker Room Memorabilia.

looking at that set-up, you do kind of wonder how each piece is tracked. that is, in one of the shots, what zimmerman is supposed to inscribe is written on a piece of paper. it's a jersey from a specific HR. you do wonder how emil tracks each jersey from immediately after the game to the time that they're signed. it seems that zimmerman just signs whatever he's told to sign. with so many arod errors, i'm curious what systems are employed with other players.

rudy.

[cohibasmoker]

Re: November pick-ups

Just picked up some items relating to Pittsburgh sports.

-The Steelers items belonged to Donta Jones and they include his helmet which is hammered with wear, a pair of pants, a team signed football and some presentation gameballs.

-The Pirates jersey appears to be all-original. It has consistent wear throughout the jersey. The Rawlings tag is located on the inside of the front flap on the right side. It may have been worn by Bob Skinner.

Jim

flaa1a@comcast.net

[sox83cubs84]

Re: November pick-ups

Just picked up some items relating to Pittsburgh sports.

-The Steelers items belonged to Donta Jones and they include his helmet which is hammered with wear, a pair of pants, a team signed football and some presentation gameballs.

-The Pirates jersey appears to be all-original. It has consistent wear throughout the jersey. The Rawlings tag is located on the inside of the front flap on the right side. It may have been worn by Bob Skinner.

Jim

flaa1a@comcast.net

My fellow American,

If the jersey is a bigge rsize (like a 46 or 48), Skinner would be the likely user. Also, the presence of a regular (as opposed to a straight tail) would most likely date it to 1974 or maybe 1975...I don't recall if Rawlings or Wilson made the 1975 roads, but Wilson did the 1976s.

Dave M.
Chicago are

[sox83cubs84]

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Just looked again at the photos and can't tell if it's a road or home. Rawlings made all the 1970-76 homes, so, if it is a home, 1974-75 is the likely time frame. Possible exceptions: a round patch imprint on the right sleeve (NL 100 years) would be 1976, and one on the left sleeve (Clemente memoriam) would be 1973...I can't recall whether 1973 or 1974 was the year Rawlings started using full cut tails on their gamers.

Dave M.
Chicago area

[cohibasmoker]

Re: November pick-ups

Dave - another forum member has a similar jersey and he feels my jersey is from 1974.

-There aren't any outlines on either sleeve so 73 and 76 is out.
-The jersey was made by Rawlings it is a size 40.
-The numbers and letters all have the same amount of wear and fading to them while the double-knit material is really soft.
-It has creases along the front and the back and speaking of the back of the jersey, there are lots of pulls on the material and the number is frayed - perhaps from sitting against a wooden bench?

As with jerseys from this era, because on the many washings, sun exposure and general all around wear, it's really, really hard to determine if it's a home or road.

In researching the jersey, I found that the #4 has been retired by the Pirates and that's nice.

Jim

flaa1a@comcast.net

[allstarsplus]

Re: November pick-ups

looking at that set-up, you do kind of wonder how each piece is tracked. that is, in one of the shots, what zimmerman is supposed to inscribe is written on a piece of paper. it's a jersey from a specific HR. you do wonder how emil tracks each jersey from immediately after the game to the time that they're signed. it seems that zimmerman just signs whatever he's told to sign. with so many arod errors, i'm curious what systems are employed with other players.

rudy.

You are way off base. In all the photos I took you can see the one jersey on the table over Ryan's right shoulder on the front view. There was only 1 jersey signed with any inscription and that is it. I just took pictures from different angles. I wrote on the paper exactly how I wanted it inscribed since it was my jersey and I paid for the autograph and inscription and every thing is factual so whats the problem?

The jersey was already MLB hologram'd with the date which was 9/23/09 when the HR was hit. The jersey came directly from Ryan Zimmerman then given to the authenticator and was signed on the back. I own this jersey and took it to the signing because I wanted the stats on the front of the jersey. Some HRs are more significant than others as this one was a 3 run HR against the Dodgers to spoil a no hitter/shut out and was also RBI 98-100.

Emil is tops as far as integrity and honesty and it is a shame to even have this conversation.

The only story here is that this is an awesome jersey!

[OaklandAsFan]

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Not all of them were November pickups some were in October but all of them were from Arizona Fall League games. The two pro stocks are from Doug Hogan (Rangers) and Tyler Henley (Cardinals)

[kingjammy24]

Re: November pick-ups

"You are way off base."

off base on what?

"..every thing is factual so whats the problem?"

i don't know. where did i say there was a problem?

"Emil is tops as far as integrity and honesty and it is a shame to even have this conversation."

andrew what on earth are you talking about? here's my post again:

"..looking at that set-up, you do kind of wonder how each piece is tracked. that is, in one of the shots, what zimmerman is supposed to inscribe is written on a piece of paper. it's a jersey from a specific HR. you do wonder how emil tracks each jersey from immediately after the game to the time that they're signed. it seems that zimmerman just signs whatever he's told to sign. with so many arod errors, i'm curious what systems are employed with other players."

other than noting that arod has had issues with his stuff, where exactly am i saying there's a problem? i simply said that i wonder, genuinely, how these items are tracked. i think you read way too far into my post.

rudy.

[allstarsplus]

Re: November pick-ups

"You are way off base."

off base on what?

"..every thing is factual so whats the problem?"

i don't know. where did i say there was a problem?

"Emil is tops as far as integrity and honesty and it is a shame to even have this conversation."

andrew what on earth are you talking about? here's my post again:

"..looking at that set-up, you do kind of wonder how each piece is tracked. that is, in one of the shots, what zimmerman is supposed to inscribe is written on a piece of paper. it's a jersey from a specific HR. you do wonder how emil tracks each jersey from immediately after the game to the time that they're signed. it seems that zimmerman just signs whatever he's told to sign. with so many arod errors, i'm curious what systems are employed with other players."

other than noting that arod has had issues with his stuff, where exactly am i saying there's a problem? i simply said that i wonder, genuinely, how these items are tracked. i think you read way too far into my post.

rudy.

Rudy - I like you and rarely disagree with you.

The words you used "seemed" to make a statement that some may take as Zimmerman signs whatever is put in front of him, and I totally disagree with that as every item that was signed and game used was documented. Sure, he signed photos, and non-game used items also.

There were only 3 items in total that got detailed inscriptions. The jersey that was referenced and 2 game used bats.

One bat was broken on a single during Ryan's 30 game hit streak and 1 bat was broken on a pitch from John Smoltz. All items were specifically referenced in the MLB database based on the MLB #'d hologram.

Those other jerseys in the background of some of those pictures you could see just had signatures and no inscriptions. Two of those jerseys were replicas.

There was a MLB Authenticator there marking every detail also in his notebook.

[kingjammy24]

Re: November pick-ups

andrew

we're off-topic in this thread but i think a discussion of tracking systems is an interesting one. when i said i "..wonder how each piece is tracked.." i was being earnest, not sarcastic or accusatory. initially, all i saw were photos of him signing the shirt from an inscription that had been written for him so, in lieu of knowing the details, i asked how it was tracked. you said "The jersey was already MLB hologram'd with the date which was 9/23/09 when the HR was hit. The jersey came directly from Ryan Zimmerman then given to the authenticator and was signed on the back." and that was the explanation i was looking for. nothing "way off base" or "shameful" about any of it.

"The words you used "seemed" to make a statement that some may take as Zimmerman signs whatever is put in front of him, and I totally disagree with that as every item that was signed and game used was documented."

from the photos, it did seem that way. i think the interesting question here is how do athletes know whether the jersey in front of them is really the one in question; the one that they used to hit a particular HR, for example. with some items like bats or gloves its a lot easier for a player to personally ID them. with a jersey, it's harder.

in this particular case, the jersey was tracked via the MLB. you imply zimmerman signed it as being a specific HR jersey due to those MLB certs. hypothetically speaking, would it be hard to swap the jersey/certs with an identical procut? if this had occurred, would zimmerman or emil have noticed? if it were possible, the motive would be to end up with one MLB-certed zimmerman gamer and one procut with a "game used HR #XX" inscription from the player himself. essentially 2 gamers for the price of one. apparently, brett favre was literally signing bad jerseys put in front of him as "gamers". i don't think brett knew or could tell.

**again, i'm not making any statements against zimmerman or emil or the MLB or you. i have no doubt your jersey is exactly what you say it is. i'm simply using this particular example to earnestly discuss how these tracking systems work.

"There was a MLB Authenticator there marking every detail also in his notebook."

i think that's great and a very unique detail. ARod has signed more "HR #XX" bats than i've had hot dinners. i wonder if an MLB authenticator was present for those.

rudy.

[allstarsplus]

Re: November pick-ups

in this particular case, the jersey was tracked via the MLB. you imply zimmerman signed it as being a specific HR jersey due to those MLB certs. hypothetically speaking, would it be hard to swap the jersey/certs with an identical procut? if this had occurred, would zimmerman or emil have noticed? if it were possible, the motive would be to end up with one MLB-certed zimmerman gamer and one procut with a "game used HR #XX" inscription from the player himself. essentially 2 gamers for the price of one. apparently, brett favre was literally signing bad jerseys put in front of him as "gamers". i don't think brett knew or could tell.



rudy.

There is a MLB #'d hologram affixed to the jersey so there is no interchanging/swapping jerseys. So if you believe in the integrity of the MLB holograming and don't believe a player is changing jerseys during the game then there are no issues.

If there was only a Cert than sure, someone could swap it out which is why the MLB hologram system is so good.

There is no system that is perfect as we find, but when the player says I don't change jerseys during the game and the authenticator places the hologram on there I feel good about what I have there.

I also forgot to mention that I got 2 game used bases signed also with inscriptions (one for Mark Demers!)

[kingjammy24]

Re: November pick-ups

There is no system that is perfect as we find..

agreed. that said, i think i've actually come up with a "perfect system". start with meigray's system of affixing unique ids to each jersey and recording those ids in a database. record the player, jersey style, date and location of collection, and date of first sale. make the database accessible online so anyone can check any ID anytime. now here's the part that makes it perfect; take several photos of each shirt prior to sale. show a jersey's photos whenever someone types in an ID. (most systems simply show a description of the item. 2 different jerseys can easily match the same general description. photos show subtle differences). that way, even if tagging is swapped, forged and/or duplicated, the original jersey as it was before it was ever sold is shown online forever and collectors could match them up. that is, collectors could photomatch the jersey they're thinking of buying to the photos online to make sure its the same one. practically anything from letters to holograms to tags can be forged and duplicated. any forgeries would be rendered useless if collectors could see high-res photos of the jersey before it was ever sold.

rudy.

[Jays1fan]

Re: November pick-ups

Back to the Topic .. Here is what I got in Today:

2008 Vernon Wells Game Used Helmet. Won it Monday Night , from the Blue Jays Auction. They Shipped Yesterday and I got it today. Fastest item received. MLB Hologram too

[b.heagy]

Re: November pick-ups

Gotta do some reseach on this one........

[b.heagy]

Re: November pick-ups

heres a better shot of the branding.