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  • kingjammy24
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2005
    • 3119

    #31
    Re: Favre Vikings jersey up for bid

    "...they must profit handsomely on these initial sales in order to cover the carrying costs of the less desirable inventory which remains—much of which will be discounted and sold at significantly less than their initial listed prices...Some may not always agree with the dealers’ pricing strategies, however, these businesses have invested a significant amount of capital in order to be able to obtain this inventory to begin with."

    to buyers, the amount needed by sellers is irrelevant. ultimately, items sell for what the public is willing to pay and that price has nothing to do with the amount that sellers need. of course, every seller that overpays tries to avoid taking the loss by overcharging others (and thus passing their "loss" on to the buyer.) at the end of the day, all you need is one buyer so i guess this strategy sometimes works and sometimes it doesn't.

    the part that has me a little confused is why teams even bother with distributors. the teams and/or league could sell these things on their own and take the entire pie instead of sharing it with a middleman. the leagues/teams already have famous brand names, greater resources, more robust marketing departments and access to far larger markets than any distributor like JOSports could ever hope to secure. all of them have already been selling merchandise directly to the public for years. taking a shirt off a players back and selling it to the public is not rocket science. heck, the NFL is already selling jerseys on their own website. so obviously a distributor needs to offer something unique like an authentication/tracking system that would be too time-consuming for the team to deal with.

    "..determining the value of unquestioned authenticity. All collectors would certainly be willing to pay some amount of a pricing premium for the peace of mind of knowing that the item is truly authentic. How much this is worth can vary from collector to collector and from item to item. With the rampant amount of fraud and deception that has plagued our hobby for years, one would think that such guarantees would be a Godsend. What one is willing to pay for such assurances, however, is yet to be determined."

    speaking only for current NFL football jerseys, i'm not sure how much value such assurances will have in the future if photomatching becomes increasingly easier and more widespread. if you purchase a jersey from a team and can easily match that shirt, then what do you need a litany of holograms and tracking IDs and tags etc? essentially, those things are provenance and provenance is irrelevant if the item is photomatched.

    unless they provide a unique and important service, i just don't see much of a purpose for middlemen in general. when teams slowly realized that there was money in this hobby, it's understandable that they didn't know how exactly to move on it and thus felt they would benefit from distributors who claimed to have niche expertise. once the teams realize how it all works, i imagine they'll do it themselves. sort of like collectors who eventually realize they have no need for authenticators. why share the pie if its easy not to?

    rudy.

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    • EndzoneSports
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2005
      • 206

      #32
      Re: Favre Vikings jersey up for bid

      Originally posted by kingjammy24
      "to buyers, the amount needed by sellers is irrelevant. ultimately, items sell for what the public is willing to pay and that price has nothing to do with the amount that sellers need. of course, every seller that overpays tries to avoid taking the loss by overcharging others (and thus passing their "loss" on to the buyer.) at the end of the day, all you need is one buyer so i guess this strategy sometimes works and sometimes it doesn't.
      You're point is absolutely correct and I'm not even going to try to go back and explain myself as I managed to botch the intent all together... I guess what I was trying to point out is the need to get the premuim items out front early to maximize the cash flow on those items so as to cover carrying those items that will collect dust until such time that they're discounted.

      The part that has me a little confused is why teams even bother with distributors. the teams and/or league could sell these things on their own and take the entire pie instead of sharing it with a middleman. the leagues/teams already have famous brand names, greater resources, more robust marketing departments and access to far larger markets than any distributor like JOSports could ever hope to secure. all of them have already been selling merchandise directly to the public for years.


      While agreed that they have at least comperable (if not superior) marketing accumen, I think another factor for the teams is cash flow. Back to Econ 101... You have an item for sale that someone is willing to offer you either (A) a guananteed $100 today; or <B> a promise to pay you a $110 in a year (which by the way comes with the risk that the buyer may not come through with any or all of the payment at the end of that time). The value of money over time is what results in the present/future value calculations that result in interest (the "cost" of money). I really believe that many teams look favorably upon the "bird in the hand" theory of taking the guaranteed lump-sum payment up front as opposed to the possibility of greater profits over time; allowing a 3rd-party deal with the risk.

      Regards,
      Patrick W. Scoggin
      Endzone Sports Charities
      www.EndzoneSportsCharities.org

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      • kingjammy24
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2005
        • 3119

        #33
        Re: Favre Vikings jersey up for bid

        "..what I was trying to point out is the need to get the premuim items out front early to maximize the cash flow on those items so as to cover carrying those items that will collect dust until such time that they're discounted."

        agreed. when steiner first came out with their yankees deal in 2005 everyone dryheaved at the prices. some hypothesized that eventually prices would have to fall simply because they constantly had new product coming in and the current prices wouldn't move the old stuff fast enough to prevent a massive glut from building up. that's exactly what happened and they eventually had their firesales. point is, they did exactly what you're saying here. put the 2009 jeter out at $15k, pray to the heavens, and then if it doesn't sell by the time the 2010 jeters come in then sell it at a discount via someone like GFC or GUU so it doesn't become apparent that the prices have no integrity.

        "While agreed that they have at least comperable (if not superior) marketing accumen, I think another factor for the teams is cash flow. Back to Econ 101... You have an item for sale that someone is willing to offer you either (A) a guananteed $100 today; or <B> a promise to pay you a $110 in a year (which by the way comes with the risk that the buyer may not come through with any or all of the payment at the end of that time)..."

        sure. but what's interesting is that many teams are in fact going it themselves. it'd be interesting to ask teams like the blue jays, tigers, or A's why they didn't choose to use a distributor. given that they're small-market teams, you'd think they'd be the ones most interested in having a "bird in the hand" as opposed to wealthy giants like the yankees, red sox, and dodgers (all of whom incidentally are the ones who chose to use steiner). the jays and tigers can go it themselves and wait for the cash to trickle in while the yankees and red sox need the money asap? seems odd.

        rudy.

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        • kingjammy24
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2005
          • 3119

          #34
          Re: Favre Vikings jersey up for bid

          Originally posted by EndzoneSports
          Dealers will often put out their initial offering with significant pricing premiums, knowing that they will need to maximize profits for those items for which there is a market (striking while the iron is hot). This is not so much price gouging as, looking at the inventory as a whole, they must profit handsomely on these initial sales in order to cover the carrying costs of the less desirable inventory which remains—much of which will be discounted and sold at significantly less than their initial listed prices. ..
          patrick

          one more thought i wanted to add. you discuss the pricing theory behind team deals; where distributors have to 'overcharge' for premier pieces because they'll likely take a loss on undesireable pieces. i understand this and i understand distributors being told that if they want a deal then they have to buy the entire lot, warts and all. so the distributors figure they can profit handsomely from the jeters and arods then maybe being left holding tons of benchwarmers won't be such a hit. but again, this has me confused. why sign a deal with a team as opposed to simply with the premier players? you spoke of how profits made from "hot" items will offset losses from cold items. what if the "hot" items you think you're getting don't actually materialize? case in point: steiner signed a deal with the dodgers. i have to think they were looking forward to the profits on the manny ramirez shirts they believed they would get. funny thing happened on the way to the ballpark, manny took his shirts and left steiner high and dry. same deal with the yankees and steiner where arod flipped steiner the bird on several shirts. when i asked steiner about it, they indicated that neither they nor the team could really force arod to do anything. so they paid for a team deal, lost the big moneymakers and were left with the scrubs. if players can order their own shirts and have those shirts be exclusive of any deals the team has signed, then team deals seem pretty pointless to me. whats the point of signing a deal with the dodgers, paying ahead of time for ramirez shirts you think you're getting, if you get 0 ramirez jerseys? why not take that money instead and simply sign the star players to a deal? that way, you can essentially cherrypick the "hot" players and no longer have the burden of unloading scrub jerseys.

          rudy.

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          • nickacs
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2009
            • 554

            #35
            Re: Favre Vikings jersey up for bid

            I emailed NFL Auctions yesterday to ask if they can verify what game the jersey was from. I didn't mention it's probably from the St. Louis game, I just wanted to see.

            And here's what some idiot from NFL Auctions emails me:
            "[FONT='Calibri','sans-serif']I was told Monday night against Minnasota"[/FONT]

            Uh, hello, McFly?!?!? The Monday night Minn game on 10/5/09 was at HOME (PURPLE home jersey). Duh!

            And this is what we collectors have to rely on?

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            • jhunt28
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2008
              • 409

              #36
              Re: Favre Vikings jersey up for bid

              Originally posted by nickacs
              I emailed NFL Auctions yesterday to ask if they can verify what game the jersey was from. I didn't mention it's probably from the St. Louis game, I just wanted to see.

              And here's what some idiot from NFL Auctions emails me:
              "[FONT='Calibri','sans-serif']I was told Monday night against Minnasota"[/font]

              Uh, hello, McFly?!?!? The Monday night Minn game on 10/5/09 was at HOME (PURPLE home jersey). Duh!

              And this is what we collectors have to rely on?


              So you asked which game the Favre VIKINGS jersey was worn, and they told you it was "against Minnesota"??? So it was a Monday Night inter-team scrimmage?? WOW...amazing who is behind the curtain at NFL Auctions.

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              • legaleagle92481
                Banned
                • Oct 2009
                • 2538

                #37
                Re: Favre Vikings jersey up for bid

                Does anyone else suspect that this may be a signed game issued jersey rather than a signed game used one?

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                • dcgreg25
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 2008
                  • 1416

                  #38
                  Re: Favre Vikings jersey up for bid

                  Looks like geoff wins the prize by guessing the final price exactly at $16,000.00.

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                  • geoff
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2005
                    • 1734

                    #39
                    Re: Favre Vikings jersey up for bid

                    Wow I feel like I Won Something Now.It would be Cool to Win The Favre Jersey because I Guessed The Price Right On.


                    Thanks
                    Geoff

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                    • legaleagle92481
                      Banned
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 2538

                      #40
                      Re: Favre Vikings jersey up for bid

                      Good job Geoff. What is your guess on the Manning they have on there now? I am going to guess 12k and that Gerry does not bid.

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                      • geoff
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2005
                        • 1734

                        #41
                        Re: Favre Vikings jersey up for bid

                        On The Manning I would Guess 15K.Lets all see what Happens on The Final Price.

                        Thanks
                        Geoff

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