Show Me Your Chicago Bears Stuff.......

[mickeymbz]

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What your not saying in your all knowing statement of a ton of Urlacher jerseys being in the market place is that almost all of them are Fakes, Pro-Cuts, Issued and jerseys that can't be proven one way or another. Its not what you know, what you think you know only what you can prove so those are really the types of jersey's I want to buy and/or have to sell........LMFAO

You talk like JO had the Bears contract forever we are talking 3-4 year window here from like 2009-2011 and Game Used Authentic selling washed jerseys for a couple of years prior to JO. Since 2010 from what WE have seen and from Our ACTUAL conversations with JO and others close to Brian is that JO got around HALF @ best of his jersey's while the Bears/Brian kept the other half. With a jersey or two going to the card companies each year from JO.
You talk this big game about what the Bears do with this and what they do with that and when you talk about JO its always he said she said hearsay when you spew this contrived crap so why don't you tell us all what YOUR ACTUAL Experience in any of this is that makes you any kind of an expert other than in your "Forgotten Stumble Bums of the Past" such as how many transactions you have had with JO? or how many Urlacher jersey transactions have you been apart of? I mean between my brother in law & I we have 8-Urlacher's under our belts and 20+ JO transactions.

I mean seriously dude do you even have any connections in this business to be talking like your some kind of expert and have personal knowledge of inner workings of whose who or what's what? Its Laughable

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[gorilla777]

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Forgot to add:

I wonder if good Palehose or bad Palehose will be replying!

This is sooo exiting! I'm off to microwave some popcorn.

Someone say popcorn?

[Anabolicollege17]

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J.O sports does not get an Urlacher jersey from every game (when they had the contract) I know for a fact they only got 3 jerseys in 2011, and 4 in 2010. Urlacher sometimes wheres the same jersey for more than 1 game. I have personally asked a friend about this situation and he told me Urlacher has no interest in keeping his own jerseys, in fact he sends some to Hospitals to be auctioned for kids with cancer, he sent a few to the hall of fame, and he gives maybe 3% to family and or friends/client rep.

So they are pretty rare. And forget it. I'll probably never get a nike hammered gamer unless its like what Pale hose said an issued, non patched, and non hit marked jersey posing as a real gamer. (if that be the case I have no interest at all) I 100% agree that if I'm buying a 54 shirt I want it to be hammered with use, and have that gold leader C. I also want it to be exact photo matched. A washed Urlacher would not do it for me. When people walk into my house that are average football fans. I want them to say holy shit that guy hit/played hard. I wouldn't waist my time on anything less of 54.

But Samets I agree with you, and totally understood your post. You were in no way trying to take a shot at pale hose. My conclusion is, someone with so many beautiful Urlacher jerseys, may get a bit defensive because he knows the true value of his jerseys, and what the market is on them and he doesn't want anyone to tell him different and even put it in the heads of those who may look to buy one in future. I would classify him as an expert 54 guy, and he just wants to set the bar straight that Urlacher jerseys (good ones at that) are a thing of beauty and should be able to tell a story all on its own just by looking at it.

Samets wasn't trying to take shots at you palehose. But I see both points, and for those who know anything about 54 shirts, we know which ones are worth more and which ones aren't with a penny on the dollar.

[Samets]

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So 30 Urlacher jerseys is considered alot? Only 16 games a year with potentially a few more... Wow, okay so if you factor in say a sport like baseball and there are a dozen rizzo and castro jerseys for sale each year, 30 doesnt seem like so much. Lets look at guys like AP and Favre, even Ray Lewis. AP and Favre are notorious for wearing two jerseys per game for a good portion of the career, since they themselves are big collectors, including Lewis. If im not mistaken, dont AP jerseys sell upwards of 8k or even more depending on multiple factors... Ray Lewis gamers go for around 12k, so if you think 5-7k for an Urlacher is a bad price, i would guess again since your saying that there might be around 30 of these beauties in collectors hands over a 13yr career, which comes out just a little over 2 jerseys a year on average. Does that sound like a lot now? Still not rare? Just one mans opinion.

In response to being able to buy an Urlacher jersey at Walmart, you must be speaking about the random jersey that pops up when you do a google search of Brian Urlacher Game Used/Worn? Yeah it shows up for sale at fans edge, walmart,amazon and a few other places, just like forte and knox does as well. The seller has it listed for 8k i believe, and there are a pair of cleats for around 1200 as well. You cant just walk into walmart and pick out an Urlacher gamer, its not that easy and there not sitting on the rack for a discount. Be Well!

I've said this once and I'll say it again: "The market sets the price." An item is worth only as much as someone is willing to pay for that item at that time. I don't set the prices, I don't know why Ray Lewis is 12k and Urlacher is not. Maybe Urlacher needs to be accused of killing someone and that will set off skyrocketing prices for his memorabilia... Who know...

I actually never said what is and is not a good price for an Urlacher. If you're happy with what you paid, that's all that matters!

Enjoy your collection because you do have some sick jerseys that anyone would be proud of owning.

[Samets]

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Forgot to add:

I wonder if good Palehose or bad Palehose will be replying!

This is sooo exiting! I'm off to microwave some popcorn.

[Samets]

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What your not saying in your all knowing statement of a ton of Urlacher jerseys being in the market place is that almost all of them are Fakes, Pro-Cuts, Issued and jerseys that can't be proven one way or another. Its not what you know, what you think you know only what you can prove so those are really the types of jersey's I want to buy and/or have to sell........LMFAO

You talk like JO had the Bears contract forever we are talking 3-4 year window here from like 2009-2011 and Game Used Authentic selling washed jerseys for a couple of years prior to JO. Since 2010 from what WE have seen and from Our ACTUAL conversations with JO and others close to Brian is that JO got around HALF @ best of his jersey's while the Bears/Brian kept the other half. With a jersey or two going to the card companies each year from JO.

You talk this big game about what the Bears do with this and what they do with that and when you talk about JO its always he said she said hearsay when you spew this contrived crap so why don't you tell us all what YOUR ACTUAL Experience in any of this is that makes you any kind of an expert other than in your "Forgotten Stumble Bums of the Past" such as how many transactions you have had with JO? or how many Urlacher jersey transactions have you been apart of? I mean between my brother in law & I we have 8-Urlacher's under our belts and 20+ JO transactions.

I mean seriously dude do you even have any connections in this business to be talking like your some kind of expert and have personal knowledge of inner workings of whose who or what's what? Its Laughable

Stop taking things personally and actually read what I wrote!

I started with "I'm sure" no where did I state I know exactly how many were released and X given to JO, then X given to someone else. What you buy and collect does not concern me! As long as it makes YOU happy, go for it!

Yes, we are talking about JO having the contract for about 4 years and even if we take your numbers and JO got half the jerseys that would make it about 30 jerseys, give or take a few since I included the pre-season games... For giggles let's make it 20! That's 20 jerseys with JO and Chicago Bears provenance. that's a lot of jerseys. No point in trying to make them rarer than they have to be. I'm sure if I wanted a real gamer with provenance i could find one! They are not THAT rare.

Don't worry about my transactions with JO. I have plenty of receipts from them and NFL Auctions to have an opinion. I don't know why you think I'm after an Urlacher jersey? I already stated that my family comes first and this years Urlacher jersey will be the family vacation to Dominical Republic. Let me make it simple for you. I am not looking to purchase an Urlacher jersey at all.

Can we stop insulting my collection?

[Anabolicollege17]

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There is nothing better than an Urlacher jersey with T.V numbers on the shoulders. How freaking rare!

[Samets]

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There are many individual preferences amongst collectors, but more often than not I fall into this camp......In my opinion, the player either wore it in a game or he didn't.....Especially with QB's where there is little to no wear.

I am also of the belief that just about every modern day player is available to purchase if you set your mind and your wallet on it....It wasn't like that 20 years ago. It seems as though the greater the supply, the greater the volatility in prices.

Could anyone possibly guess how many Urlacher jerseys are out there?....Just a few Seasons ago, they had a bunch of them on the Walmart Website for sale didn't they?

I'm sure there are a ton of Urlacher jerseys out there and I'm sure the team "gave away" many more game prepared Urlachers for charities and such!
For as long as JO had their contract with the Bears, every game had a new jersey that JO got unless it was something special and held back or was sent to NFL Auctions... If I count it right, that's a lot of jerseys floating out there!

Then again, this is also true for other players and not too many are floating around but you are right, If I offered $2,000 for a Tillman or $3,000 for a Cutler, I would have a few PM's in my Inbox by the weekend...

I also think JO set high prices on many of the jerseys since they sold like hot cakes! It doesn't take a genius to figure out that the correct "market" price is to set it a bit out of reach and try to create an artificial shortage. Sell your Urlachers, Cutlers, Hesters and Forte's POR (Price on Request) style and offer discounts to good customers as needed...

I have heard multiple stories of asking price for an Urlacher being $8,500 but if you offer them $5,000 they would take it in a heart beat!

[Mulligans]

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Here's where I respectfully disagree with you.

Not all collectors have the same requirements for a game used jersey as you do. Some don't care about the stats, patches, or game use. You assume you are speaking for most Urlacher game used collectors, but I don't see how that's possible.

The orange alternate showed plenty of game use despite being washed, the captain patch didn't exist until 2 years later, and many of Urlacher's GU weren't hemmed before 2007.

An auction is an auction, I don't think anyone got that jersey on the cheap. The price is a market price at the time of the auction, plain and simple. Are there factors that contribute to that, sure, but the hammer price is what it is.

I understand you prefer what you prefer, more power to you. Many collectors don't share the same preferences you do, that's the beauty of collecting.

There are many individual preferences amongst collectors, but more often than not I fall into this camp......In my opinion, the player either wore it in a game or he didn't.....Especially with QB's where there is little to no wear.

I am also of the belief that just about every modern day player is available to purchase if you set your mind and your wallet on it....It wasn't like that 20 years ago. It seems as though the greater the supply, the greater the volatility in prices.

Could anyone possibly guess how many Urlacher jerseys are out there?....Just a few Seasons ago, they had a bunch of them on the Walmart Website for sale didn't they?

[BU54CB]

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Im just stating that there are roughly 30% at best, high end, quality urlacher gamers out there when you factor in use,stats,and patches. They are rare and expensive finds as you dont see too many hit the open market, almost never, what you do see alot of are either questionable, issued or light to almost no wear gamers of his that under sell, since most collectors who covet an urlacher gamer want one as described above... Am i right or wrong? Most people that have these top notch gamers dont give them up, as you havent seen many if any hit the secondary market? The other 70% of his jerseys are either chopped up and put into cards or are owned for a significant discount, since all the great ones were gobbled up right out of the starting gate, and will most likely stay in private collectors hands forever, pending some unforseen circumstance.There are only a handful of Urlacher collectors and Urlacher himself who own the best of the best gamers out there. It's a true fact. For people that were asleep at the wheel and decided not to anty up, im sorry to say that there are not many out there for sale now that he has retired and maybe too late to acquire one with all of the mentioned qualities... If you want a great use gamer of his be prepared to pay atleast 5k, thats all im saying. Dont hold your breath and think a blue light special discount is in your future.... Be Well!!!

Here's where I respectfully disagree with you.

Not all collectors have the same requirements for a game used jersey as you do. Some don't care about the stats, patches, or game use. You assume you are speaking for most Urlacher game used collectors, but I don't see how that's possible.

The orange alternate showed plenty of game use despite being washed, the captain patch didn't exist until 2 years later, and many of Urlacher's GU weren't hemmed before 2007.

An auction is an auction, I don't think anyone got that jersey on the cheap. The price is a market price at the time of the auction, plain and simple. Are there factors that contribute to that, sure, but the hammer price is what it is.

I understand you prefer what you prefer, more power to you. Many collectors don't share the same preferences you do, that's the beauty of collecting.

[Samets]

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See!!! Keep this guy posting!!!

Sadly one is out of my realm. The wife has other ideas for $5,000+
I just put a deposit for the family vacation to Dominican Republic... I rather have an Urlacher gamer...

[Samets]

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The BS politics aside hard truth is any business or private owner who isn't desperado isn't going to sell the Top Urlacher jerseys from the past couple of years for less than they paid to anyone of the handful of Angry Bottom Feeders in the industry Dreaming of a Big Score @ someones expense cause they didn't want and/or couldn't step up (Its not for everyone nor personal, strictly business).

Feels like there are two collectors doing replies from the same account...

How do you go from this:

If we are getting historical on this jersey all that anyone from the outside looking in knows is that the hammer price was $2,990.

Does Goldin Auctions allow sellers to put reserves on consignments? I personally don't know but most Auction Houses do.

Maybe there wasn't a reserve on this lot (none of my business & I don't really care) but until proven otherwise I would find it hard to believe that a consigner of a potential $4,500-$6000 jersey would not have some type of protection put in place from their item under performing.

If talking about premium value this jersey was potentially hurt by:
1. Not having a captains patch
2. Being washed & showing minimal remaining game wear (This jersey pre-dates being able to purchase unwashed Bears jerseys displaying off the field wear)
3. Game stats
4. Not displaying a custom hem (Not that big of a deal but I prefer to see it)
5. The # of remaining potential Bears/Urlacher buyers who can afford and/or are willing to purchase a high end item

All & all the results were disappointing for this alternate jersey with it being such a super rare quality jersey from the Bears future HOFer & possibly their best linebacker of all-time.

to the post above???
One post you are a wealth of knowledge and a pleasure to exchange with, next thing you know, it's angry bottom feeders???

[Samets]

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lol

And the band marches on...

I moved on, you two should as well.

[Anabolicollege17]

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Palehose agreed that a 5 year 4 star photo-matched Urlacher is a very rare and high end item. (I'm not talking about the uncommon issued jerseys/ no document/ photo-match jerseys). Thats being a little harsh as to calling the people who try to obtain one for cheaper than the going rate bottom feeders dreaming of a big score. I just look at them as die hard Urlacher fans who want to try to obtain there football hero and icon for an affordable middle class price. Because we know if you have to ask what the price is than most likely the item is not for that person. But nothing wrong with trying to obtain for cheaper. It won't happen (and again I'm talking a real 5 year Urlacher Nike with paper work and photo match) but you can't fault the fan for trying. At least I can't.

You are the Urlacher king, and know pretty much more than anyone on final hammer prices and yearly price inflation than anyone on this board. (I'll go out on a limb to state it). I would view 5,000$ as an extreme fair price, and if I could find a Nike Urlacher like what you posted I would pay over that. Just because I want a jersey from his final year, I love the 5 year captain, and Nike jerseys are my favorite jersey maker (details and stretch twill are so unique)

[BU54CB]

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Because there are no other Nike Bears Lachers gamers. So since its one of the only ones sold, NFL auctions is the only going rate to judge. And I'd say that w/e the final hammer was on it when it sold, that it doubled in value by now easily.

Actually, I was referring to Urlacher jerseys in general, but I agree, that's the only nike gamer I've seen as well.