Very sad day for my collection

**TNTtoys** · 02-08-2010, 10:30 PM

Re: Very sad day for my collection

Moral of the story is that if you pass on an item, thinking that it will come back your way someday, there is that chance that it won't. You just may be losing that item to someone who has intentions to destroy it...

**yankees.stub** · 02-08-2010, 10:52 PM

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Originally posted by TNTtoys

Moral of the story is that if you pass on an item, thinking that it will come back your way someday, there is that chance that it won't. You just may be losing that item to someone who has intentions to destroy it...

Well said....

You have my condolences....

Now please ... dont go and bid on one just for the sake of having something instead of nothing ..... guilt will kill you.

**Texans** · 02-08-2010, 10:52 PM

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How many road jersey did they wear during that time?

Jojo

**sox83cubs84** · 02-08-2010, 11:32 PM

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[quote=yankees.stub;186593]So with the same attitude ... why dont we cut up the priceless arts, declaration of independent (the day that they cut that up in pieces for the sake of sharing, that will be the day I will boycott that company completely).

I proposed in another thread that some card company should by a T206 Honus Wagner card and cut it up to stick in insert cards. Of course, to card companies, swatch cards are only a good idea when you're destroying items that AREN'T cards. The same collectors who get semi-orgasmic at an A-Rod, Ruth, or Mays game-used jersey or bat card would probably burn the place down if they cut up an iconic item from THEIR hobby.

Dave M.
Chicago area

**legaleagle92481** · 02-09-2010, 12:19 AM

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How can you tell whose bat or jersey it really is on the little swatch or bat piece. With the price of game used items surprising card companies do not cut corners and buy a bunch of common player items for a song cut them up and put them on cards as belonging to stars.

**AWA85** · 02-09-2010, 12:37 AM

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I've wondered this same thing. How do you know the fabric is really from the star player? Just take the card companies word?

**Manram** · 02-09-2010, 01:01 AM

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Originally posted by AWA85

I've wondered this same thing. How do you know the fabric is really from the star player? Just take the card companies word?

They must just taje their word on it. That's another reason collecting the whole jersey or bat is better. You know the player actually used it

**chipperhank44** · 02-09-2010, 07:25 AM

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There are card collectors and there are memorabilia collectors. Obviously there is a market for both, and as long as that is true, both markets will be satisfied because there are profits to be made. Yes, Babe Ruth jerseys and bats have been cut into pieces. The holy grail of the game used hobby turned into the holy grail of the card collecting hobby. They are still treasured pieces of memorabilia enjoyed and cherished by their owner, just not in the form some of us prefer.

The portion in bold is why the "cutting up the Honus Wagner card" comparison is flawed.

**allstarsplus** · 02-09-2010, 08:46 AM

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Originally posted by chipperhank44

There are card collectors and there are memorabilia collectors. Obviously there is a market for both, and as long as that is true, both markets will be satisfied because there are profits to be made. Yes, Babe Ruth jerseys and bats have been cut into pieces. The holy grail of the game used hobby turned into the holy grail of the card collecting hobby. They are still treasured pieces of memorabilia enjoyed and cherished by their owner, just not in the form some of us prefer.

The portion in bold is why the "cutting up the Honus Wagner card" comparison is flawed.

I see cards like Patches and logos cards which aren't game used and can be obtained from companies like National Emblem and direct from Majestic and this way they don't have to cut up a game used jersey or worst case cut up an Authentic.

Now that Topps has the MLB contract, hopefully they will get league wide cooperation that if they need a game used jersey they can do 1 game wonders to make it "game used" so they aren't cutting up well worn jerseys. If they were smart, they could require the jersey to be MLB hologram'd and then cut out the hologram/holograms for the cards. That would be something different for Topps!

**TNTtoys** · 02-09-2010, 09:39 AM

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Originally posted by Texans

How many road jersey did they wear during that time?

Jojo

I would say that they had 2 per year. If I'm lucky, there could have been 1 or 2 more.

The problem is that in this particular year, the Mets wore a '1 year only' road style... so, when it's gone, it's gone!

**TNTtoys** · 02-09-2010, 09:46 AM

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I just took another look at the card in question. It's called a "jumbo swatch" card, and instead of a patch, it displays what appears to be the top of the "Y" or "k" in New York, along with the gray material of the jersey. What strikes me odd is the fact that the card is a "1 out of 1." If it's clearly 1 small cutting of the jersey, why is it 1 of 1? Where did the rest of the jersey go?

Getting back to Frik's statement, where many younger collectors can have a piece of this collectible... Apart from the price being $200.00 (where people are being fooled into thinking they are getting something rarer than it actually is), why can only 1 person have this particular card? Where are the other 50 to 100 pieces of this jersey??? Are they going to be "exclusive" 1 out of 1 cards in other series? If so, isn't this deceptive marketing?

**TNTtoys** · 02-09-2010, 09:49 AM

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Originally posted by allstarsplus

I see cards like Patches and logos cards which aren't game used

I have seen swatches of a nameplate on cards, where the letters aren't even part of the player's name who the card is of... have the card companies ever addressed this? Supposing you buy an "Albert Pujols" swatch card because you want a piece of his jersey. Your card has a cutting of a Cardinals nameplate with a letter "T" on it. What exactly is this???

**yankees.stub** · 02-09-2010, 10:06 AM

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Originally posted by TNTtoys

I have seen swatches of a nameplate on cards, where the letters aren't even part of the player's name who the card is of... have the card companies ever addressed this? Supposing you buy an "Albert Pujols" swatch card because you want a piece of his jersey. Your card has a cutting of a Cardinals nameplate with a letter "T" on it. What exactly is this???

Now this is FRAUD!

There is no "T" in PUJOLS ... unless the card company is saying that the CARDINALS is using FIRST name on the jersey also.

Like I said it from the beginning - it is a stupid idea. All it takes is one stupid person who is willing to listen to and believe in it .... it will spread like wild fire!

Just stupid!

**yankees.stub** · 02-09-2010, 10:11 AM

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Originally posted by TNTtoys

I just took another look at the card in question. It's called a "jumbo swatch" card, and instead of a patch, it displays what appears to be the top of the "Y" or "k" in New York, along with the gray material of the jersey. What strikes me odd is the fact that the card is a "1 out of 1." If it's clearly 1 small cutting of the jersey, why is it 1 of 1? Where did the rest of the jersey go?

Are they going to be "exclusive" 1 out of 1 cards in other series? If so, isn't this deceptive marketing?

Just a thought...

Wouldnt it be cheaper just to have those letters pre-cut? Insert them into pack and put 1 of 1 on the card - this supposed to mean there is only 1 of the letter "N" in NEW YORK (for road jersey only).

It would be really funny if they put any letter on pinstripes fabric!

... So this way, they dont have to destroy any jersey and still make a bundle for something that cost penny to make!

Not bad at all...

**chipperhank44** · 02-09-2010, 10:46 AM

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Originally posted by TNTtoys

I have seen swatches of a nameplate on cards, where the letters aren't even part of the player's name who the card is of... have the card companies ever addressed this? Supposing you buy an "Albert Pujols" swatch card because you want a piece of his jersey. Your card has a cutting of a Cardinals nameplate with a letter "T" on it. What exactly is this???

I think the one you are referring to is a manufactured patch and not billed as a game used name plate. They are called "by the letter" autographs and the letters are not game worn, just autographed. I believe it spells out "A-L-B-E-R-T" And yes, it is stupid, but it is not game used and not advertised as such.

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