American Memorabilia Bo Jackson bat

[byergo]

Re: American Memorabilia Bo Jackson bat

BTW--I have no axe to grind here. I have always thought highly of PSA/DNA authentication and prefer to buy authenticated items, and I've been very happy when both buying and selling with American Memorabilia, and plan to continue doing so. They have brought top dollar, shipped payments and products quickly and carefully packaged, and been great to deal with on the phone and via email.

[byergo]

Re: American Memorabilia Bo Jackson bat

I sent a message to Zane to see if he would be willing to add his comments to this thread.

[CollectGU]

Re: American Memorabilia Bo Jackson bat

They amended their statement - what more is there to talk about.

I think that I and others would be interested in seeing the distinguishing marks or characteristics that you positively photo matched to your bat to make a detrmination if your bat is in fact a photo match or a photo style match. Could you post for us? Just to play devil's advocate, how do we know that yours is the proper bat without a proper photo evidence?

[trsent]

Re: American Memorabilia Bo Jackson bat

They amended their statement - what more is there to talk about.

I think that I and others would be interested in seeing the distinguishing marks or characteristics that you positively photo matched to your bat to make a detrmination if your bat is in fact a photo match or a photo style match. Could you post for us? Just to play devil's advocate, how do we know that yours is the proper bat without a proper photo evidence?

Good post, I couldn't have said it better myself.

[byergo]

Re: American Memorabilia Bo Jackson bat

CollectGU,
As I stated earlier, I will not post detailed pics of my bat because circumstances such as the fake American Memorabilia bat prove that fraud is rampant in this hobby, and there are obvious shortcomings in the professional authentication process.

I'll throw you a bone however. 1st pic is the fake American Memorabilia bat with smoke damage, note the incorrect pine tar application when you compare it to Bo's real gamer (which I own) being used in the All Star Game (hard KC Royals batting helmet) and Home Run Derby (soft KC Royals baseball cap).







Each of these pics are available on the Internet if you conduct a search, so nothing proprietary here that only I have access to. The authenticators could have done the work to find this, and so could have the auction house.

If we can believe that PSA/DNA knows what they are talking about that Louisville Slugger records indicate that only two Bo All Star game bats were produced and shipped to bat. Zane Burns (zanebats on EBAY) sold me the game used bat, which is legit and has not been disturbed, then he subsequently sold the other bat with no game use what so ever, we have a lot to talk about actually.

I'm not interested in the other bats from "Mr. Smoke Damage" in the American Memorabilia auction, but I would look on any other items he is selling with a great deal of scrutiny and suspicion.

[byergo]

Re: American Memorabilia Bo Jackson bat

The pic from the all star game also doesn't show "Bo" written on the knob.

[CollectGU]

Re: American Memorabilia Bo Jackson bat

Byergo,

Do you have evidence in terms of a distinguishing mark on your bat that conclusively matches the bat a mark you can see in a photo - if not, you don't have a photo match...if you do, post it or else we cannot say for sure you've photo matched your bat....What is someone going to do wityh the photos, doctor up a Bo bat, no offense but they just don't command the kind of value where it makes it worth it to do that. You are talking about a $500 -600 bat...

[CollectGU]

Re: American Memorabilia Bo Jackson bat

He did hit a homer, so to be fair, I would have to adjust the value up to $800- $1,000....

[byergo]

Re: American Memorabilia Bo Jackson bat

CollectGU,
If you can't see from the pics I just spoon fed you that that bat isn't legit you are not very intelligent, and I don't respect you as a game used expert PERIOD. I would never buy from you or seek your "professional" opinion.

Also, the bat is worth FAR in excess of $500 to $600 because I own it and it isn't for sale. If I were to offer it for sale the reserve price would be dramatically higher than that. This is a historic bat. One of the legendary home runs in All Star game history, and arguably the biggest single moment in Bo Jackson's career. And that's saying a lot considering he was the biggest star in both the NFL and MLB for a time, and also won a Heisman. Also arguably the greatest athlete of all time in sports history.

[trsent]

Re: American Memorabilia Bo Jackson bat

So, what do you want done next?

Maybe you should call the Las Vegas Police and have them investigate.

Or maybe instead of insulting users of the forum you should understand that AMI changed their description because of information they found along with their authenticators. That wasn't good enough for you, so now you have to take the next step which isn't to insult someone for making the point that you keep going on and on about it because you are still not happy.

If you have the only real one, you were called out to provide photographic evidence and you refused, so what do you want now for the industry to make it better?

By the way, I agree, Bo Jackson was the most inspiring player I ever saw in person. I never saw him play football live, but for baseball, his presence on the field was like that of no one I have seen before or after. Even after the hip replacement, he was still Bo.

This said, it comes to the point that you believe you have the only bat he used in the game, and AMI and their authenticators feel they have a bat that he also used for the All-Star festivities. Instead of going on and on about it, your point has been made, but now if you really care that much move it off the forum and find the next step. It may be legal, if you are 100% sure, but you have taken it to a dead end on this forum.

[suave1477]

Re: American Memorabilia Bo Jackson bat

I hate to say as much as it is killing me but i do agree with others. Byergo there is no need for you to insult other members of this forum bcuz they have a legit question your the one to refuse proof of a pic is what you say you have. At the same time your beating a dead horse you keep complaining over and over and over what you have is real and theres is fake. WHAT DO YOU WANT US TO DO? or what are you looking to get out of us?
Do you want us all to meet after work today, form a mob with torches and head to vegas?
I tried that once but they wouldnt let us on the plane with torches ( THEY SAID SECURITY REASONS) after that I didnt want to get on the plane with my mob it didnt look cool to have sticks on a plane and there not on fire. lol lol

[jon_8_us]

Re: American Memorabilia Bo Jackson bat

I couldn't agree more with trsent!This insulting of fellow members is childish.And the fact you will provide no pictures to prove your story,and the fact your questioning some of the best minds in the hobby i would take a step back here if i were you.You have created a very eye opening and serious discussion here.Resorting to childish insults and behavior lends you no credibility with me and many other members i'm sure.Lets see some pics once and for all and close this discussion....
jon

[b.heagy]

Re: American Memorabilia Bo Jackson bat

Description for the bat has been revised.

"By now, we all know Bo. It’s difficult enough to play one professional sport, but to excel in two, shows unbelievable versatility. Bo Jackson was invited to showcase his gift in the 1989 All-Star Game. Jackson set the flow of the game with a monstrous home run, stolen bases and remarkable catches. The superstar heartily earned the MVP award for his crowd mesmerizing play. This Louisville Slugger (model J93) is one of two bats that were shipped to Bo on July 6, 1989 for the All-Star Game. The bats are immediately identifiable because of the large stamping of “Louisville” on the back barrel. 1989 was the only year Louisville Slugger incorporated this type of labeling on All-Star game bats. This barrel stamping was repeated for 1989 World Series bats. The bat measures 341/4” and weighs 33.8 ounces and displays outstanding use. Clearly visible on the barrel are blue and several red ball marks. Please note that the balls used in the ’89 All-Star Game were stamped with red ink. The bat is uncracked and has excellent player characteristics which include “Bo” on both ends in black marker as well as a familiar pine tar application to the upper handle. The consignor had a fire at his residence and there is noticeable smoke staining to the barrel. We are revising the writeup on the bat because its authenticity has been questioned by the owner of the second All-Star bat, who indicates that he has photo documentation of Jackson using his bat. While we make no claim that this bat was game used by Jackson during the 1989 Mid Summer Classic, we cannot overlook the red ball marks appearing on the barrel. The bat is authentic in every respect and it is our opinion it was used by Jackson at least during batting practice and in all probability during the second half of the season. This bat represents one of the highlight moments of one of baseball's and football's top phenomenons."

Bill

[byergo]

Re: American Memorabilia Bo Jackson bat

I will never post detailed pics of the bat on the Internet which would all but guarantee future counterfeit attempts. I live in Columbia, MO and would be happy to allow anyone to view the bat and corresponding photo and DVD video evidence I have at my home (let me know a few days in advance as I would need to get the bat out of the bank save deposit box). Furthermore if you travel and happen to go the the Kansas City or St. Louis international airports, I would be happy to meet you and show you the bat and pics, as I live exactly half way between those two major airports.

I apologize for the childish response to Jim, but I am pretty worked up over this issue. And frankly the "best minds in the hobby" only have a slightly better educated guess than the educated/advanced game used collector. Although I can understand why you'd like for me to post the pics, I'm sure you can respect why I'm unwilling to do that, particularly regarding the current circumstance. I have to hold a few aces in my hand to debunk the next counterfeit, should it arise. I was however willing to post enough photographic evidence to in my mind easily demonstrate how the bat in question was NOT used in the 1989 All Star Game or Home Run Derby.

[trsent]

Re: American Memorabilia Bo Jackson bat

Great, so this discussion is finished?