The Carryover Factor

[sox83cubs84]

Re: The Carryover Factor

Just saw a Padres 1997 home Tony Gwynn in Legendary Auctions' current event that has an Alicia Gwynn LOA. It has a 1992-style Russell tag.

Dave M.
Chicago area

[metsbats]

Re: The Carryover Factor

Back in the early 90's there was a Gone Bats article in SCD which reported that the HOF had the bat which Willie McCovey purportedly hit his last home run on display. Problem was the bat was an early 70's HB old label bat and McCovey's last season was 1980. Vince Malta was the one who pointed this out to the author Mike Montbriand.

Speculation was that it may have been an error or perhaps Stretch did pull out an old bat for his final season.

[joelsabi]

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The hologram numbers on the baseballs are LH299471 & LH299474....I believe it was jackie Robinson day too if they did anything special w/ the balls that day....
Hologram number LH299474 was located in the MLB Authentication Database under GAME-USED BASEBALL.
Session Product Description:
Session Name: CWS AT DET
Session Date: April 15, 2009
Autographer:
Authenticator: AUTHENTICATORS, INC.
Additional Information: CHICAGO @ DETROIT

Thanks Dale for pulling out the baseball to get the hologram numbers. No mention of PCL or International League or being a BP baseball in the MLB database for those baseballs. I don't think Jackie Robinson's Day would be a reason to use minor league balls during a game either. Robinson's only minor league team coincidently was the Montreal Royals, a International league team so why the PCL ball if this was the case.

Do you think they were actually used in the game or just tagged incorrectly ? Having caught dozens of these in bp from the Tigers over the past 3+ years , I would think that an authenticator either was lazy
and didnt look at the balls they were authenicating or just didnt know any better. Im curious what kind of trainning these authenticators go through , and what exactly happens to the bag of game balls after the game . Do they get locked up out of reach of anyone or are they just sitting in a corner somewhere until they get tagged . Im guessing that someone probably picked up a few balls laying around and tossed them into the bag of game balls. And as above , the authenicator didnt look all to closely at what he/she was doing .

Considering how different the seams are on the minor league baseballs I would think the umpire would surely notice when/if he grabbed one out of
his bag. And the pitcher would probably have a smile as wide as the Grand Canyon given the opportunity to throw one of these again


And yes in April of 2000 a few gamers game out of Wrigley as National League . And in 2005 , after the all star game , two game home runs that landed on the streets were 2005 Comerica Park all star baseballs

This is only my opinion as I have no first hand knowledge of the logistics of storing bp and game used ball at Comerica. Where did the PCL baseball come from? The Detroit equipment manager would never order PCL baseballs since none of the Detroit's affiliates play in the PCL. Taking into consideration Ballhawk’s experience, the intermingling of warm-up baseballs from visiting teams with a PCL affiliate seem like the best explanation. One of the two teams must have picked up a stray baseball somewhere along the way when playing a team with a PCL affiliate and kept it in their practice ball bags. Chicago’s AAA affiliate wasn’t a PCL team either, so this PCL baseball probably was a BP ball left from an earlier series or a stray collected by Detroit personnel in warm-up. Teams could care less what baseball they use for bp. I agree, training of authenticators to be more thorough is in order

[tigerdale]

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The hologram numbers on the baseballs are LH299471 & LH299474....I believe it was jackie Robinson day too if they did anything special w/ the balls that day....
Hologram number LH299474 was located in the MLB Authentication Database under GAME-USED BASEBALL.
Session Product Description:
Session Name: CWS AT DET
Session Date: April 15, 2009
Autographer:
Authenticator: AUTHENTICATORS, INC.
Additional Information: CHICAGO @ DETROIT

[harpt]

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Speaking of carryover - Just recently I held a 1976 George Foster Centennial bat that was purchased from the Reds 580 gift shop and it had the date of use as being 1978. TWO years later.

Could it be a batch that George just liked? I don't know the reason why he would use a bat that is two years old..but he did.

Also possible that the gift shop made an error when labeling the date of use.

[jbsportstuff]

Re: The Carryover Factor

Speaking of carryover - Just recently I held a 1976 George Foster Centennial bat that was purchased from the Reds 580 gift shop and it had the date of use as being 1978. TWO years later.

Could it be a batch that George just liked? I don't know the reason why he would use a bat that is two years old..but he did.

[sox83cubs84]

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On Russell gamer MLB jerseys, I have seen the 1992 design Russell tag pop up on jerseys issued for 1997 and even 1998. It's not common, by any means, but it does happen.

Dave M.
Chicago area

[suave1477]

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Carryovers are more common than you may think. Especially if it is Yankees related.

I own a number of carry over items / recycled items from the Yankees.

I actually have now which I am selling a Yankees pair of game used pants from 1978 that was probably used then (But can also be dated to being used by a specific player from 1980)
So here is a pair of pants, Used by one player and then most likely not used again till 3 seasons later.

I have in my own collection Darryl Strawberry Rookie Game Used Road pants but it was issued to another player. Since he was a mid season call up he didnt have his own pants and they gave him someone elses.

Now to answer your question would I prefer items to be originaly intended for (Player A) to be used by (Player A) - of course, but some times that item may not exist.

Sometimes you can luck out with a carry over item and you pick up some no name player Jersey later to find out the year before it was worn by a superstar.

I think batting helmets are famous for this many times you will find manufaturer dates on the batting helmets and then not actually used till years later.

I think the Maris Jersey has to be one of the most coveted carryovers if you think about it.
1960 Jersey used also in 61
1960 Maris MVP
1961 Breaks Home Run Record
1961 World Series Champs

So many significances to that Jersey WOW

[ballhawknet]

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these two baseballs were bought at comerica park last april...both authenticated as used in the april 15th game....both minor league balls...different minor leagues at that!!

If you dont mind , what are the authentication #'s on these two balls.
Do you think they were actually used in the game or just tagged incorrectly ? Having caught dozens of these in bp from the Tigers over the past 3+ years , I would think that an authenticator either was lazy
and didnt look at the balls they were authenicating or just didnt know any better. Im curious what kind of trainning these authenticators go through , and what exactly happens to the bag of game balls after the game . Do they get locked up out of reach of anyone or are they just sitting in a corner somewhere until they get tagged . Im guessing that someone probably picked up a few balls laying around and tossed them into the bag of game balls. And as above , the authenicator didnt look all to closely at what he/she was doing .

Considering how different the seams are on the minor league baseballs I would think the umpire would surely notice when/if he grabbed one out of
his bag. And the pitcher would probably have a smile as wide as the Grand Canyon given the opportunity to throw one of these again


And yes in April of 2000 a few gamers game out of Wrigley as National League . And in 2005 , after the all star game , two game home runs that landed on the streets were 2005 Comerica Park all star baseballs

[joelsabi]

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these two baseballs were bought at comerica park last april...both authenticated as used in the april 15th game....both minor league balls...different minor leagues at that!!

just curious what is on the mlb database. can you share the hologram number?

[joelsabi]

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HAHAHAHA... Joel.... you're killing me!

It just hit me why you put the photo up... I was being sarcastic about seeing photo proof of him using it in 1997!!!

I need to get off of here and go to bed... it's a work day tomorrow... drop me an eMail and I'll tell you all about my Griffith ball...

All the best -

Chris
xpress34@comcast .net

Chris,

I thought I would come clean before I get labeled as a revisionist historian as I misspoke on Dave's location of his HR catch too. hahaha.

I got the photo from another thread on here while doing a search. There are more posts about jersey carryovers when I searched for examples. I appreciate others who contributed other examples from their own collection in this thread.

I will send you an email on the baseball story.

[metsbats]

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Two bats I have which Gary Carter used to obtain milestones in 1986 (his 250th home run and 900th RBI) are from the 1985 season.

[tigerdale]

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these two baseballs were bought at comerica park last april...both authenticated as used in the april 15th game....both minor league balls...different minor leagues at that!!

[xpress34]

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HAHAHAHA... Joel.... you're killing me!

It just hit me why you put the photo up... I was being sarcastic about seeing photo proof of him using it in 1997!!!

I need to get off of here and go to bed... it's a work day tomorrow... drop me an eMail and I'll tell you all about my Griffith ball...

All the best -

Chris
xpress34@comcast .net

[xpress34]

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Chris, here is the photo. I need to ask about that other baseball sometime.
So its a 1976 bat used in 1977, when Munson and Jackson first became teammates.

Great pics!

And a collector would throw that bat 'out of bed' why??? Because it's a 'carry over'?

Just like the story in this previous GUU thread:

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=26088

About Josh Hamilton using a 40 YEAR OLD LVS of Joe Macko's.

Not ONLY a different player's bat, not only a 'carry over' from a previous season... it's a Carry Over from 4 decades earlier!!!

I'd LOVE to have it in my collection!!!

- Chris