Steiner admits there are many "fake" Steiner products

[suave1477]

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Who directly attacked Mr. Cowan? There is a lot of Steiner bashing, sure, but I havent seen any "vultures".



Chris

I am not going to go into naming names if you read the thread you can see. The point is the guy was just trying to help.

[suave1477]

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Long time lurker, infrequent poster here.

I agree that its crucial for there to be as much transparency as possible in our hobby, but I'm not sure this thread is a constructive way to accomplish that. The OP posted a rather inflammatory conclusion that, if true, damages Steiner's reputration. The responsible thing to have done was cut and paste the email exchange verbatim and let people draw their own conclusions.

Moreover, Steiner seems to have been very helpful to the OP in authenticating his recent eBay purchase so as a matter of common courtesy I'm not sure that throwing the company under the bus was appropriate given that context of the conversation.

Sonic well said

[mbenga28]

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I re-read the other thread and apologize to the member, if you're reading this. And if my reference to gremlin was taken in a pejorative light, I apologize for that as well - though with my correspondences with other Steiner reps in the past left that impression with me. I'd e-mail them inquiring about a product and when I inquired just a little more, they'd just ignore me and never reply back.

[legaleagle92481]

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Long time lurker, infrequent poster here.

I agree that its crucial for there to be as much transparency as possible in our hobby, but I'm not sure this thread is a constructive way to accomplish that. The OP posted a rather inflammatory conclusion that, if true, damages Steiner's reputration. The responsible thing to have done was cut and paste the email exchange verbatim and let people draw their own conclusions.

Moreover, Steiner seems to have been very helpful to the OP in authenticating his recent eBay purchase so as a matter of common courtesy I'm not sure that throwing the company under the bus was appropriate given that context of the conversation.

Ok here is the portion of the email relevant to this post:

"We are aware of all the counterfeit Steiner items out there…that’s why we always recommend steering clear of eBay and purchasing directly from us. Sometimes, it might be worth a little extra money for the peace of mind that comes with knowing your product is 100% real!"

[mbenga28]

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did a female write that, gosh I hope that's not who I think it is.

[sportscentury]

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Ok here is the portion of the email relevant to this post:

"We are aware of all the counterfeit Steiner items out there…that’s why we always recommend steering clear of eBay and purchasing directly from us. Sometimes, it might be worth a little extra money for the peace of mind that comes with knowing your product is 100% real!"

Well, there you have it. I don't believe LegalEagle has acted at all irresponsibly. Even the Steiner representative said he applauded LegalEagle's post.

[legaleagle92481]

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did a female write that, gosh I hope that's not who I think it is.

I am not outing the writer or giving any clues as to his or her id. I don't want anyone to get in trouble at work over it it is not the writer's fault as he/she does not set the policy at Steiner and that person was very helpful.

[sportscentury]

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I am not outing the writer or giving any clues as to his or her id. I don't want anyone to get in trouble at work over it it is not the writer's fault as he/she does not set the policy at Steiner and that person was very helpful.

Actually, his/her honesty is rather refreshing.

[indyred]

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mbenga,

the jersey you posted is another members jersey who got it directly from steiner and it has an loa.

Yeah I thought he said he just took the hologram off and put it on the COA. So nothing is fake about that Jeter game issued jersey posted?

[mbenga28]

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Yeah I thought he said he just took the hologram off and put it on the COA. So nothing is fake about that Jeter game issued jersey posted?

I read that also, but why the hell would you do something like that? if you lose the LOA and the jersey has nothing on its tagging to prove its authenticity it becomes worthless then.

[legaleagle92481]

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here is the thread about the fake gi jerseys. http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_f...ad.php?t=33860

[mbrieve]

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Ok here is the portion of the email relevant to this post:

"We are aware of all the counterfeit Steiner items out there…that’s why we always recommend steering clear of eBay and purchasing directly from us. Sometimes, it might be worth a little extra money for the peace of mind that comes with knowing your product is 100% real!"

Let me first start off by saying that Steiner may have their problems, but if I were to say that I received the same e-mail from Mitchell & Ness, would their be the same outrage? Counterfeiting is a problem that any large company with a "good" name has to deal with (just ask Rolex, Louis Vitton, Coach, Burberry, etc.). Each of those companies have had to deal with knockoffs/counterfeits, and all of them would be justified in saying to only buy directly from them and their authorized dealers to be 100% confident that they are getting an authentic item.

As for the fake Obama/Jordan signed baseball...that to me was the equivalent of browsing the Rolex watches in battery park. Both signatures were clearly forgeries and I am pretty sure that Steiner does not act as a third party authenticator--meaning unless they secured a private signing with Obama, they would not place their hologram on it to authenticate it.

Just adding to the conversation...I think both sides have good points (i.e. Updating holograph serial numbers on their website). Again, just my .02

[sportscentury]

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Let me first start off by saying that Steiner may have their problems, but if I were to say that I received the same e-mail from Mitchell & Ness, would their be the same outrage? Counterfeiting is a problem that any large company with a "good" name has to deal with (just ask Rolex, Louis Vitton, Coach, Burberry, etc.). Each of those companies have had to deal with knockoffs/counterfeits, and all of them would be justified in saying to only buy directly from them and their authorized dealers to be 100% confident that they are getting an authentic item.

As for the fake Obama/Jordan signed baseball...that to me was the equivalent of browsing the Rolex watches in battery park. Both signatures were clearly forgeries and I am pretty sure that Steiner does not act as a third party authenticator--meaning unless they secured a private signing with Obama, they would not place their hologram on it to authenticate it.

Just adding to the conversation...I think both sides have good points (i.e. Updating holograph serial numbers on their website). Again, just my .02

Of course not. This is a GAME USED forum. If you were to receive the same email from MeiGray or JO Sports (companies that sell game used items), then of course there would be the same "outrage."

[mbrieve]

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Of course not. This is a GAME USED forum. If you were to receive the same email from MeiGray or JO Sports (companies that sell game used items), then of course there would be the same "outrage."

Fair point, but this discussion has covered both signed items and game used items offered by Steiner. It seems that their main problem deals with people using their holograms in a dishonest way.

I don't have a dog in the fight, but it seems their main problem stems from their holograms and serial numbers not being entered into their database. However, when you become one of the big boys (as mentioned in my earlier thread) you become the target of counterfeiters...it is now up to Steiner to work to combat against this. Their continued success probably hinges on how they respond to this adversity.

[kylehess10]

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I'm starting to lose my trust in Steiner, and I will no longer buy anything with a Steiner hologram UNLESS it's photomatched (all my Steiner stuff is photomatched so I don't have to worry about it).

A few days ago I helped a forum member declare that his Jeter home jersey that was supposed to be direct from Steiner isn't real. It had the matching holograms and the LOA, so nothing appeared wrong, until I attempted to photomatch the jersey to the timeframe it was worn (which was a 2-month period). I checked photos and video from every game and couldn't find it. He was also looking at an Alex Rodriguez game worn jersey and I did the same research on that jersey and couldn't find a match for it either! I checked every single game....no match could be made. There's just too many fakes that Steiner is selling. They're becoming the new Lou Lampson with their authentication.


And in regards to Steiner selling game issued jerseys; I believe they should mark the jersey with ANYTHING that can't be tampered with. I remember I once saw a Nolan Ryan jersey that was a Scoreboard jersey from 1989, and Nolan signed the jersey with the inscription "this is not my jersey". Probably the best inscription I've ever seen. Game issued jerseys need to be tagged in a special way to identify them easier. Would it really hurt them to write "GI" somewhere on the inner part of the jersey?