HELP; Anyone dispute an auction house over item cannot photomatch?

[Mattingly85MVP]

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sorry for the double post, hate that you can't edit or delete it

[Dewey2007]

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the 2 pics from August do not match w/ the jersey but the ones from Game 3 seem spot on....great purchase

Here's another photo from Game 3 and unfortunately the MLB logo does not match up.

[sportscentury]

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Not to be a buzzkill, but I don't see a match to any of these in-action shots. What am I missing?

[BorchertField]

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Good point on Getty Images' sometimes sloppy dating - that causes no end of confusion.

You are of course making the assumption that Derek Jeter wore the jersey in question for the entire game. Is it at all possible that he changed jerseys at any time during the game and that the back photo you are seeing is a different jersey altogether? You have to figure that something like this is possible, especially since his jerseys command a ridiculous sum of money.

I'd say it's not only possible but probable. Especially if we're talking about post-season play - there is a tremendous awareness of the value of these jerseys, and it wouldn't surprise me at all to learn that Jeter swapped out his jersey during the course of a game.

I think you might be stuck with it. They offered their opinion that it had been worn during that period. I'm not a lawyer, but it doesn't appear that they promised any proof that they then failed to deliver. I agree that a photomatch is pretty necessary, but since the auction house didn't offer one, it's too late to insist.

Have you considered having the jersey examined by a reputable place like MEARS? According to their site, evaluating a post-1980 jersey from a superstar player will set you back $200. Seems like a small price to pay - you either get the assurance you're looking for or an excellent case to take it back to them for a refund.

Alternately, I like the idea of consigning it back to them. Let them stand by it again, see if any other collectors are willing to take the risk you took.

[Bondsgloves]

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What kills me is that these auction houses typically charge a 20% fee to the buyer and the consignor pays a percentage as well, you would think they would make sure your completely satisfied with the item and the item would be genuine as described. I personally think the auction houses should take the items back no question if there is any doubt of the item not being authentic or game used by the buyer. We make our desicions to bid on items based on a few photographs online or in catalogue, we dont have the luxury to inspect the item in person so we are putting faith in the auction house as well. Some of the auction houses are better then others and will do the right thing.

[nickacs]

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Thanks again everyone... Thank you for helping, posting pics and the comments.

I asked the GUU member that tried photomatching the 21 games for me earlier on to see about the Indians playoff games and sure enough, it doesn't match when you really get close and in the shoulder/button pinstripe lines.

It's just more concrete evidence (along with some of the other previous) posts that this is definitely NOT the jersey in those playoff games.
So, I still have a questionable "game worn" 21 game jersey that doesn't photomatch to any of them (from what we can find easily on photo sites). I still know that it *might* be possible to go through all the 21 game innings and match, but I'm not going to do that at this point. I can't do it and it's just too much of a hassle right now.

I haven't responded back to the auction house yet as I've really just been super busy and want to sit down and take the time to respond in a certain manner. But I do feel my option will be to consign it back to them for their next auction and see what happens. I know I won't anywhere close to probably even half of what I paid, but something is better than nothing.

And of course, a HUGE lesson learned. Photomatch first before bidding!

[Lokee]

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I do feel my option will be to consign it back to them for their next auction and see what happens. I know I won't anywhere close to probably even half of what I paid, but something is better than nothing.

And of course, a HUGE lesson learned. Photomatch first before bidding!

I hope it is not marketed the same if that situation (one mentioned above) is the one that ends up happening.

[sportscentury]

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I hope it is not marketed the same if that situation (one mentioned above) is the one that ends up happening.

While reading all of the posts about putting this jersey back on the market, I have been thinking this exact same thing.

[BorchertField]

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I'm still not sure that the jersey was incorrectly described in the first place - it's not like the auction house claimed that the jersey had been photomatched.

[Dewey2007]

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I'm still not sure that the jersey was incorrectly described in the first place - it's not like the auction house claimed that the jersey had been photomatched.

I agree but they did say it was used between a specific time period and if it can't be photomatched to any game between that time period then I think the buyer has some justification in seeking a refund and the auction house should stand behind the items they offer. Obviously they didn't do the homework on their end to make sure that this jersey was actually used in this time frame too. I'm pretty sure they saw the Steiner letter and Lampson mailed in his authentication based on that and didn't do any real authentication on the jersey to make sure it was what it claimed to be.

I also find it hard to buy the suggestion that maybe Jeter wore it for an inning or two or even half a game. While nothing is impossible can anyone name a particular game where Jeter wore a jersey for just a few innings then switched into a completely new one? If there is a precedence then I guess that would give more credence to this but I find it hard to believe that the team would be concerned with doing this in the middle of a game just to say a jersey was game worn to make a few bucks.

[legaleagle92481]

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My personal opinion is that it is most likely that the jersey sent to Steiner by the Yankees was not authentic and there are several possibilities as to how that happened. The person charged with getting the jersey from Derek may have switched what he was given with another jersey so he could make some money for himself by selling it himself and noone would be the wiser or the wrong jersey was taken out of the locker.

[MLB_Authentic]

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Does it say game worn in an official major league baseball game? For all we know it was game worn during a game of checkers in the locker room? No?

[BorchertField]

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I agree but they did say it was used between a specific time period and if it can't be photomatched to any game between that time period then I think the buyer has some justification in seeking a refund and the auction house should stand behind the items they offer. Obviously they didn't do the homework on their end to make sure that this jersey was actually used in this time frame too. I'm pretty sure they saw the Steiner letter and Lampson mailed in his authentication based on that and didn't do any real authentication on the jersey to make sure it was what it claimed to be.

"Has not been photomatched" is not the same as "cannot be photomatched". Nobody's gone through all the photos, especially given the possibility/probability that Jeter might have worn more than one jersey in any particular game.

I don't want to minimize nickacs' situation, but I think he's admitted that he didn't really do his homework before bidding. If he's doubting it now, it'll be his responsibility to go through all the games, and rule out this particular jersey. Or, as I mentioned before, send it for authentication from a reputable source. If they kick it back, he has justification for a refund.

[sportscentury]

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"Has not been photomatched" is not the same as "cannot be photomatched".

True, but this is not the issue. There was no mention that the jersey was photomatched or is photomatchable. The sale was not dependent on either of these conditions. If you want to make sure that you get a photomatched jersey, you have to:
a) determine that the jersey is photomatched prior to buying it, or
b) get the seller to agree, as a condition of sale, that the jersey will be photomatched.
That's the end. If you don't have one of these scenarios, then any issue of photomatching is irrelevant.

[BorchertField]

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Exactly the point I was trying to make.