Stan Musial Possible 1962-1963 gamer

[flaco1801]

Re: Stan Musial Possible 1962-1963 gamer

if the "62" was added on what are the chances "musial" was also doctored? to me the work seems to be of the same hand. no doubt its a vintage rawlings cards shirt, i have my suspicions of the mint numbers and name on the back. thats just my opinion. Jeff

[sportscentury]

Re: Stan Musial Possible 1962-1963 gamer

And ISUbirdjersey, it might ring a bell that another reason you were banned is because you have posted under, broken the rules under and been banned under the following names.

apujols04
youngjerseycollector
david-a
davida
and of course my favorite youareajerk

David, have I missed any?
Eric

"ebayautos" was used and was banned within minutes.

Eric,

I agree with Chris/Staindsox here that you are one patient, understanding guy. I've said this a hundred times myself. And I'll say the same thing about Chris Cavalier. I don't know how you guys have done it.

With that said, HOW CAN IT POSSIBLY BE THAT DAVID ARCHIBALD IS NOT PERMANENTLY BANNED FROM GAME USED FORUM?!?!

Is it me, or is this pure insanity? I just don't get it. Why would he be allowed to cause more trouble on the forum? Why would Steve/Vintage do business with him? How do people like this survive in this hobby? It's simply mind-boggling. How many times does a guy have to be EXPOSED?

Andrew Lang/AllStarsPlus has suggested that the forum start using IDVerify. I am the last person to try to say how the forum should be run; I will reiterate again that I don't know how you guys do it and I could not run it NEARLY as well (and would probably drink poison after only a week of trying). But I do think that Andrew's idea is a good one and certainly worth considering. We run into this nonsense all the time ... and it is an incredible drain on, and waste of, our time and energy.

Reid

[Eric]

Re: Stan Musial Possible 1962-1963 gamer

"ebayautos" was used and was banned within minutes.

You are absolutely correct. Add it to the list.
Eric

[ISUbirdjersey]

Re: Stan Musial Possible 1962-1963 gamer

I talked to Steve from Vintage Authentics today. He told me that when he first sent the jersey back to me, he told me that if I ever wanted to reconsign it then the 62 had to be removed. I have told Steve the same thing I will type here. I do not recall him ever telling me that. I promise you I do not recall hearing that. If I had known that, I would have removed the 62 instead of VA. We did not discuuss this. However, after this thread reappeared and I made a few comments, then Steve called me about the 62 being removed. He said his intention was to not decieve anyone in the future and letting them sell it as a 1962 jersey.

I said that I understood the decision and since it was already done, I would support the decision based on his explanation of not wanting the hobby to be deceived. I understand from the experts that the Musial 62 chain stitching is highly unusual. Howver, I also agree that taking out the stitching could have possibly altered a unique game worn example with authentic stitching. Steve has let me know he felt the stitching was fraudulently placed there. If he is 100% correct, I agree the Musial stitching would be fraudulently stitched too. The original owner may have be tricked in the 1980's into buying it as a 1962 jersey. Who knows? I will agree with the poster who said to not alter the jersey in case the stitching is authentic. The 62 outline is still visible so I think the Musial stitching should be left there. I guess whoever buys the jersey gets to make the next call. I understand what VA did and their reasoning. I do not remember ever agreeing to that decision prior to the 62 being removed. I did not notice it was removed until a few days ago. What is done is done. If the stitching is all fraudulent, then the Musial should be removed as well. MEARS has proven that new info is often found. Maybe there is a photo to match the jersey. MEARS authenticated the jersey as at least an authentic cardinals blank mock up. I don't know what they will say once they rexamine it. I wish more info existed about the jersey. There is no info about the jersey I have not told. I would like to know if the actual restored lettering and numbering are from the time period. That would surely give us more insight.

Lastly, I am shocked to see that people do not seem to mind questioning me even though my posts and other posts related to my jerseys were obviously edited. You can't see the two sides to the story which show why I acted off in the first place. That apujols04 username was banned and many posts made by me and others were edited by Eric and/or removed by Eric. That is a fact and makes this a situation i will not argue about anymore. Those who did not read the edited posts I made (with my original user ID before I was banned) are not able to clearly see what happened. In addition, the removal of text in other members posts was similar to what Martha Stewart was accused of doing to her computer files. The evidence of what was typed to me by more than a few of the members of this forum was deleted to protect people from libel. I think this included BTPH who has a selective memory about how he handled this situation and the attacks he made against me many months ago. BTPH, didn't some of your accusations get edited by the moderator as well? The obvious fact is that I was banned and I came back and posted to clarify my stance on what was being said about me. I was banned so I had to read comments about me that I was not allowed to answer them unless I created a new user id. Eric, you cannot sucessfully dispute that last sentence I typed. I was banned and not allowed to reply to attacks against me. I did break forum rules by registering new IDs to reply to the attacks and therefore I deserved to be banned. Since he is still allowing me to post and has been, I have taken that as a peace offering. Many months ago, Eric promised to send me new forum rules (I still have the email) and in order for me to continue posting, I had to agree to the new rules he had for me. Many weeks later, after not hearing from him, I started posting with ISUbirdjersey as I knew this jersey, me, and the ISU Bird jersey were going to be sent to V.A. and would be discussed on this forum. I wanted to prove to Eric I could post responsibly and not break any more rules. Hopefully, I am doing that.

[ISUbirdjersey]

Re: Stan Musial Possible 1962-1963 gamer

With that said, HOW CAN IT POSSIBLY BE THAT DAVID ARCHIBALD IS NOT PERMANENTLY BANNED FROM GAME USED FORUM?!?!

Is it me, or is this pure insanity? I just don't get it. Why would he be allowed to cause more trouble on the forum? Why would Steve/Vintage do business with him? How do people like this survive in this hobby? It's simply mind-boggling. How many times does a guy have to be EXPOSED?

As for the comment above I can't do anything but laugh while trying to respond. I have not caused any more true trouble. Vintage Authentics is doing business and accepting quality consignments from me. They have been for the last year. I have consigned over 30 items with them in the last year. Total sales for my consigments have been for over $30,000. That is a $10,000 comission for them (why I need an auction house) and since they are in business to make money off of authentic memorabilia, they haven't turned down consignments of authentic memorabilia from me.I survive in the hobby by reading. This includes the GUU forum, SCD, Beckett,etc. I educate myself, find authentic memorabilia that can withstand the critics, and then I hustle my ass off. Just like I do when trying to turn a 70 into a 67 with a few birdies coming in. I focus on what I am trying to do and do it to the best of my abilities. I send everything I sell to quality 3rd party authenticators and graders. I studied the hobby since I was 8 years old and I realize that people like me survive in the hobby by learning the market. If I own the #23/23 BGS 9.5 Lebron james Exquisite Collection card, it doesn't matter what you think about me. Ijust matters if you want what I am selling bad enough. I have learned what people want to collect and what they will pay top dollar for. Thanks the trick to survival in this hobby. I am sorry you are mind boggled. I hate to be the cause of that. I have been exposed? Exposed as what? A 24 year old in an older man's hobby? I have not been exposed for selling fake items because I try to study what I am buyiing, make sure it matches known examplars,and then additionally rely on the same authenticators that the auction houses rely on. What more can I say for you GUU members? Just let me know what you need? If I am not banned, I am not running away from your concerns or questions.

[ISUbirdjersey]

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Lastly, please do not bother with your comments about my grammar, spelling, etc. If I am going to sit here and reply to all these questions, I don't feel the need to spell check and grammar check my posts. You should all be smart enough to get the general idea of I typed. Sure, you can try to make fun of my and accuse me of not being smart enough to spell or type. That is fine with me. I was typing what I was thinking and I notice that certain things I typed are not grammatically correct. Please try to successfully navigate through those parts of my posts in order to notice what point (s) I was trying to get across. If not done so already, I will address any specific questions forum members have. Thanks for allowing me to respond to this thread.

[both-teams-played-hard]

Re: Stan Musial Possible 1962-1963 gamer

ISUbirdjersey,
I have been collecting jerseys for over 20 years. I realize that quality game-used jerseys can be found in unusual places. I often "stumble" across jerseys from non-collectors. When you originally posted, almost a year ago, I thought you had made a similar discovery. Your story sounded possible. At first glance, your jersey photos looked legitimate. I had no reason to doubt you. You NEVER said you got these jerseys on eBay. You never told the story that the auctions were ended early. And yes, I did insult you in the past. And yes, you deserved the insults. I originally offered my opinion, which you asked for. It sounds like you have made some nice profits. Since you have shared detail after detail of your jersey "find", why don't you share the name of the eBay seller? I now choose to refrain from posting on this subject. I think Vintage Authentics should direct the winning bidder of the Musial jersey to this thread. Wouldn't that be the "right thing" to do?

In the words of the immortal 'Sheed:
It was a good game. Both teams played hard. Good night and god bless.

[sportscentury]

Re: Stan Musial Possible 1962-1963 gamer

I now choose to refrain from posting on this subject.

I will no longer post on this subject either. Enough of my time has been wasted trying to figure out if David has more GUF userids or "game used" jerseys in his collection.

I think Vintage Authentics should direct the winning bidder of the Musial jersey to this thread. Wouldn't that be the "right thing" to do?

YES.

[Steve Jensen]

Re: Stan Musial Possible 1962-1963 gamer

BTPH- You are correct, that is absolutely the right thing to do and we will be doing so. I am monitoring that lot closely and will make sure each and every bidder knows exactly what they are bidding on. I've updated the lot description on our website accordingly.

Thanks,
Steve

[sportscentury]

Re: Stan Musial Possible 1962-1963 gamer

As a general response to Steve/Vintage, it is nice to see a major auction house participating in the forum and responding to forum members' issues and concerns. Steve, I think your willingness to be a part of these discussions can only help your business.

Reid

[earlywynnfan]

Re: Stan Musial Possible 1962-1963 gamer

I've just spent 20 minutes of my life reading this thread, and all I can say is:

BRING BACK KEN GOLEM!!

The threads revolving around him were much, much funnier for the reader.

(I do give Steve a big pat on the back for coming here and clearly answering any questions posted to him, even though he has to know some people out there are just waiting for him to screw up so they can jump all over him.)

Ken S
earlywynnfan5@hotmail.com

[ISUbirdjersey]

Re: Stan Musial Possible 1962-1963 gamer

Should V.A. auction the jersey or send it back to me so I can pay for additional MEARS research and evaluation?

[ISUbirdjersey]

Re: Stan Musial Possible 1962-1963 gamer

David/ISUbirdjersey,

Based on the recent posts from Eric and Steve Jensen, it would seem that you have a very unique way of remembering and presenting history.

Can you make sense of all of this for us? I need help here ... as your posts (including the ones you made under your banned userid) just don't add up for me. Please do not misinterpret my post as an attempt to "bait" you. I intend nothing of the sort. Clearly, I'm not the only one utterly baffled here (e.g., Warren, Steve, Eric, Howard, Rudy, Chris, and others all seem to share in at least some form of confusion, if not amazement).

Reid

I would like to make another comment about this due to Reid's recent post in anothwer thread. I have 1 story about this Musial jersey and it is obvious that Steve's version is making me look like a liar. i will clarly present my discussion with Steve.

When Steve told me months ago the jersey failed as playing day Musila jersey, I wanted to have the jersey back so I think about what I wamnted to do with it. Steve claims when we talked that he told me if I ever wanted to consign the jersey, it would not be auctioned as a playing day jersey and the 62 would have to be removed. I do not recall that sentence ever being said to me but it is possibleI forgot due to being distracted I guess. I just don't recall agreeing to that but I don't want to dispute what Steve is saying. I just don't know.

What remains a fact is that when I sent the jersey back a second time, it was not RE-DISCUSSED. I had no knowledge the 62 was going to be removed as I did not and do not remember the first conversation Steve says we had about the 62. With that being said, I did not notice the 62 was removed until someone else recently brought it to my intention. I wanted to make it clear I did not do it as I know how the GUU members look at changing a jersey. Once it was done and this thread reappeared, I did have a phone conversation with Steve. he called to discuss the issue and he is well aware I said i had no knowledge he was going to remove the 62. I understand why some people don't think it should have been removed (because of the style of the Birds, it was obviously not a 62 jersey anyway), but I decided that since it was already removed, I would side with Steve and not get upset about the removal. Steve had good intentions by removing the 62 from the jersey so who am I to get upset. I simply told him that I would agree with his reasoning and that I too do not want anybody to get ripped off.

I have been attacked for not telling people originally that the Musial and Martin jersey were on ebay for a short time (Less than 24 hours). My reasoning behind this was that the completed auctions were still visible and I was not interested in telling people my source. The couple has 3 more game used items of significance and we all know that if I told who had the jerseys originally on eBay, they would be harrassed by members of this forum for many different reasons. If you knew where 5 1952 Topps Mantle cards were and the owners were dealing with you, why would you tell anyone else who the people were. That would be stupid. I think attacking me for not saying the two jerseys were originally on ebay is ignorant and uncalled for as that information was not important. That information has nothing to do with a (BTPH) "broke Sherlock Holmes."

[sportscentury]

Re: Stan Musial Possible 1962-1963 gamer

What was the final outcome of this?

[both-teams-played-hard]

Re: Stan Musial Possible 1962-1963 gamer

I think attacking me for not saying the two jerseys were originally on ebay is ignorant and uncalled for as that information was not important. That information has nothing to do with a (BTPH) "broke Sherlock Holmes."

Other ideas: "out-of-work Magnum P.I."
"Columbo on welfare"
"Skid Row Sam Spade"

THIS really is my last reply to this thread, starting...........NOW!