Photo matched PR4192 Rose bat with surprise!!!!

[tacprc]

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According to the seller of this bat. Pete was selling items 25 years ago.

I was talking about important awards; World Series rings; World Series and All-Star Game bats; bats, balls, and jerseys from significant games; etc.

However, it is true that Pete sold some of the items related to his 4191 and 4192 Hit games.

I have read that Pete sold to Greg Walker's father, Dennis, the S. Rae Hickok Award belt that he was given for being named the 1975 Professional Athlete of the Year by a panel of 250 national sports writers.

And he might have sold other significant items to Dennis Walker. I don't know. Greg may have a list.

In the late 1970's or early 1980's Pete also began selling his own uniforms, bats, and equipment. However, it might have been the case that friends of Pete, like Whitie Willenborg, were really driving the business in order to enrich themselves. I don't know.

[spartakid]

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About to be reported by ESPN's arround the horn

That's forum member Greg Walker

[yankees506]

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About to be reported by ESPN's arround the horn

[STLHAMMER32]

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Steve, You don't have all the facts. Besides the 4192 hit bat and ball, Pete didn't sell any of his memorabilia until 10 or so years ago. It was all on display in his Boca Raton restaurant called the Pete Rose Ballpark Cafe.
He still owns some of his major awards, World Series rings, etc.

According to the seller of this bat. Pete was selling items 25 years ago.....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170497241675&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

[tacprc]

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fyi, this was the featured talk-radio topic on WLW 700 radio in Cincinnati today for two hours between 11 am and 1 pm.

Barry Petchesky was interviewed for about 10 minutes beginning at 11:05 am.

[tigerdale]

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glad I just read all this....how interesting!!!

[Rob L]

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Wow, your story was just reported by Robin Quivers on the Howard Stern show. Crazy.

[CowboyJohn]

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fyi, I am still exchanging emails with Bob Bartosz, but he did say, "That color photo was on Kodak Slide Film. I sold all my Slides 50 or 60 thousand of them about 10 or so years ago."

So, that's why he can't be more helpful.

Thanks for that info. I don't know why he couldn't have sent me a return email staing that himself.

[tacprc]

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Bill,

I find it strange that this Bob Bartosz guy won't allow anyone access to his photo archive, whatever the situation may be. I offered him a fee, an undetermined amount so as to let him set the price, to possibly find other pictures of Bill's bat. He made it clear to Bill, myself, and the people at DEADSPIN.com that he wouldn't be involved.

fyi, I am still exchanging emails with Bob Bartosz, but he did say, "That color photo was on Kodak Slide Film. I sold all my Slides 50 or 60 thousand of them about 10 or so years ago."

So, that's why he can't be more helpful.

[CowboyJohn]

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Sometimes the simplest explination is the correct one.

I don't have much more to say so this will be my last post on this topic. After watching some television reports that reported very little and obiously dismissed the entire deadspin report (but had no problem using the x-ray pictures), I sent my comments to them and I wanted to share them with you.

Dear Mr. Broo

My name is Bill Schubert and I was the one who purchased the Pete Rose bat from Mr. Wolter.

I've seen two of your report pieces this evening about the bat in question. I think the question that should be asked to Rose is why are there now 6 verifiable PR4192 models around the country with cork (one person is a bat expert from PSA/DNA John Taube)? Did all of use do this to conspire against Pete? We don't even know each other. All of us came together through an on-line game used forum and consolidated our findings. With this in mind and my photo matched bat (unlike the Leland auction bat) being used in a game by Pete Rose in 1985, at some point logic tells you all this can't be a coincidence.

Sincerely,

Bill Schubert

Bill,

Nice job. Unfortunately your common sense approach will be totally avoided by any and all media.

I've found out something fairly discouraging while this whole corked-bat issue has unfolded, although I must say it's not really all that surprising.

As in other Union based fields of employment, there seems to an unspoken form of "brotherhood" that bonds people together in an effort to hold back outsiders who happen to trip upon an issue that blackens the eye of one of their own.

I find it strange that this Bob Bartosz guy won't allow anyone access to his photo archive, whatever the situation may be. I offered him a fee, an undetermined amount so as to let him set the price, to possibly find other pictures of Bill's bat. He made it clear to Bill, myself, and the people at DEADSPIN.com that he wouldn't be involved. Then you get that new media piece Bill was referring to which totally lays out "doubt" that there is anything concrete that points to Pete's guilt of using a corked bat.

That's all fine. We know what we have, and some silly dude who dies his hair red and sits in front of a TV camera spewing out biased comments that there is no proof, when in fact there is now, just seems to go along with the brotherhood. They must feel the need to keep their "clique" intact.

I could care less. I have a Pete Rose corked bat. And hopefully one day I will be as lucky as Bill and find a photo match of it too. But I do know this: I understand now why, when I brought the bat to a signing to meet Pete and ask him to take a few pictures with the bat, he was visable concerned with the fact the bat was no longer in Bobby Wine's possession. He asked me where I got it. He asked me how much I paid for it. He at one point took his finger and started to rub over the inscription on the bat while he looked at me and said "Why don't you remove all of this and just leave my signature?" I told him noooo, that it added value and provenance to the bat. He looked consternated (for proper checklisting Chuck, that's consternated, not constipated), and it all seems pretty clear to me why.

[joelsabi]

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Being a special year for Pete Rose How hard would it be to find video of the games?

There a people that recorded games back in the days based on video trading forums. I found someone with a 7/11/1985 tape but nothing from the July 4th weekend. Maybe contacting a local Philadelphia network and see what they have.

[platinum1]

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Being a special year for Pete Rose How hard would it be to find video of the games?

[schubert1970]

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Sometimes the simplest explination is the correct one.

I don't have much more to say so this will be my last post on this topic. After watching some television reports that reported very little and obiously dismissed the entire deadspin report (but had no problem using the x-ray pictures), I sent my comments to them and I wanted to share them with you.

Dear Mr. Broo

My name is Bill Schubert and I was the one who purchased the Pete Rose bat from Mr. Wolter.

I've seen two of your report pieces this evening about the bat in question. I think the question that should be asked to Rose is why are there now 6 verifiable PR4192 models around the country with cork (one person is a bat expert from PSA/DNA John Taube)? Did all of use do this to conspire against Pete? We don't even know each other. All of us came together through an on-line game used forum and consolidated our findings. With this in mind and my photo matched bat (unlike the Leland auction bat) being used in a game by Pete Rose in 1985, at some point logic tells you all this can't be a coincidence.

Sincerely,

Bill Schubert

[joelsabi]

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The first Rose corked bat was lot 1038 in the Dec 2005 Lelands auction. Bidding for this lot ended 29-Nov-05.

This bat later re-appeared as lot 82081 in Heritage Auction 716. Bidding for this lot ended on 2-Oct-09.

The second Rose corked bat was lot 800 in the Lelands auction that ended 21-Nov-08.

You are correct sir. You are a very good researcher.

ok read more and there were bats that were corked that went up for sale.

Here is the original listing of the bat in Leland mentioning cork in 2005.

http://www.lelands.com/Auction.aspx/AuctionDetailed/27140/December-2005/Sports/Cincinnati-Reds/Lot1038~1985-Pete-Rose-Game-Used-159th-Homerun-Bat-%28CORKED-%29

Couple of news cast reports.

http://www.wlwt.com/sports/23833800/detail.html

http://www.kypost.com/dpps/sports/baseball/reds/did-pete-rose-use-a-corked-bat%3F_4643002

I noticed that news on tv have higher standards of reporting than blogs.

I left an post on the Beckett blog asking if they know the date of the photo and what was the deadline for submitting photos for that Sept 1985 Beckett. Hopefully it gets a reply from Beckett. I dont think bloggers have editors that decide whether a story get published or not on the internet.

[tacprc]

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I think he's a Pete Rose collector.

Yes, I am a Pete Rose fan, researcher, collector, and collectibles checklister.