Albert Pujoles Game Used Old Hickory bat.

[GoTigers]

Re: Albert Pujoles Game Used Old Hickory bat.

Both of these are from '04 if I remember correctly. I think the first image is pretty clear that there is tar applied to the lower handle, and I have always thought it may be a match for the M356 I just sold. I couldn't find video of the game though.

[STLHAMMER32]

Re: Albert Pujoles Game Used Old Hickory bat.

Ive noticed it on some. There seems to be a gap in tar in some of his bats, you can definitely tell the bottom is residue also.

-Tony

yep, I have a view videos that show an almost soiled darker look on the handle like the one I just purchased. After the 05 season I have yet to see that look on one of his gamers.

[spartanservitto]

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Ive noticed it on some. There seems to be a gap in tar in some of his bats, you can definitely tell the bottom is residue also.

-Tony

[STLHAMMER32]

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I sold that M356 on Ebay. It's a nice bat, and I hope youre happy with it STL. I'll post some pictures on here later that I believe show Pujols using bats with tar on the lower handle circa 04-05. I'd love to get everyone's opinion.. Maybe I'm just seeing things

It should be arriving soon! While researching Albert's tar patterns I came across some video and photo evidence that Albert may have been putting tar around the handle for a short period in 04 and 05. As rick said earlier he did not run pinetar from the handle to the midsection in coating. What I have noticed is a distinct seperation between handle and then the midsection.

Here is a photo from 2004 showing the handle darkening as well as the midsection leaving the space in between clean.

[STLHAMMER32]

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Here is another photo from a baseball card.....

[spartanservitto]

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Here is a similar Old Hickory, with the same pine tar application, its actually a lot more than I thought I would see.

http://jerrytlai.photoshelter.com/image/I0000NDfYQCpk9mY

[spartanservitto]

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From pine tar none the less, I think being handled etc. Reason being, I think the cut off is to perfect, such as the example of Albert with the other Old Hickory bat.

-Tony

[spartanservitto]

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Will do, I'm pretty sure its discoloration of the wood though.

-Tony

[rj_lucas]

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I agree, I figured that would be the issue with that bat. I think someone saying there is no handle tar on Pujols bats is way to stern on the issue. It is bound to happen when he has tar on his bat at all. The tar itself did not look substantial.

-Tony

Certainly, you might see pine tar in the grip area that has transferred from his batting gloves, but it will be lighter than the application at mid-barrel.

And considering how little he uses any given bat, you wouldn't expect to see much of a build-up from his gloves.

That said, I'm not sure if those same guidelines would apply in the case of a BP bat. Perhaps they get more use and thus, more pine tar built-up in the grip area. I don't know.

I would, however, challenge anyone to produce a photograph of Albert using a bat where pine tar has been applied to the grip area of the handle i.e. an application running from mid-barrel to knob.

I'm not suggesting your bat looks like that, it doesn't. But as I mentioned earlier, the pine tar at mid-barrel looks heavier than you would expect for the period. Would be good to see some additional photos in different light when you have the bat in hand though.

Rick
rickjlucas@gmail.com

[spartanservitto]

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I agree, I figured that would be the issue with that bat. I think someone saying there is no handle tar on Pujols bats is way to stern on the issue. It is bound to happen when he has tar on his bat at all. The tar itself did not look substantial.

Also sorry to keep messaging you about that haha, I saw it end on June 14th and got excited for a minute, I love that bat though.

-Tony

[GoTigers]

Re: Albert Pujoles Game Used Old Hickory bat.

I sold that M356 on Ebay. It's a nice bat, and I hope youre happy with it STL. I'll post some pictures on here later that I believe show Pujols using bats with tar on the lower handle circa 04-05. I'd love to get everyone's opinion.. Maybe I'm just seeing things

[spartanservitto]

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Thanks STL,

I love that bat you got, I saw it on Ebay and knew I had seen it somewhere. Thanks for looking out. I appreciate the insight and help from everyone on this forum, you keep the hobby safe and clean. Thanks again.

-Tony

[STLHAMMER32]

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Email me.

claytonlemmons@yahoo.com

Clay, I have already. I still haven't received payment for the bat yet....when I asked you on the forum...you told me to send your address again that you had misplaced it. Then I wait for payment, still none...and no emails returned..I would much rather discuss privately but this seems to be the only way...

You haven't held up to your word even after we set an exact date to receive payment. What is more frustrating then anything is you bump your want list and I see you trying to get people to contact you regarding other items when you still haven't paid for the bat yet...I don't understand....just some communication would go along way.

Sorry for hijacking the thread it wasn't my intention to do so!

[STLHAMMER32]

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Thank a lot also on the help guys, I feel pretty good that albert did use it at one time, the people at PSA/DNA seemed to be confident also. I think it's safe to say in my eyes that I got a good bat to put with my other key pieces. There was one that Bert owned that was recently on Ebay and pulled down, I emailed the seller. It is the M356 one cracked at the top, did anybody contact the guy and throw an offer on it? Curious, I was interested in that bat also.

-Tony

Tony, I have a collection of photos for Josh Hamilton, Mark McGwire and Albert Pujols saved on my computer. Those are the guys I collect and I find that photo references really help. I am not sure what images are still available from Getty now but I thought you would be interested in the Old Hickory as it has the same pinetar pattern as yours!

With your bat, i would feel confident that it was in the hands of Pujols at one time at least. The Pinetar application looks right pattern wise and although it is a bit heavier it could be because the dirt collects on it. It may have been a BP bat used in games or it could have been used by another player who knows....there are many possiblities and frankly thats how it is with any bat that can't be matched...which is the majority.

I did purchase the m356 on ebay, I knew it belonged to Bert at one time and felt comfortable with it's characeristics. The deep seam impressions are something I always look for in a gamer..to me that is the best sign of actual game useage.

[spartanservitto]

Re: Albert Pujoles Game Used Old Hickory bat.

Thank a lot also on the help guys, I feel pretty good that albert did use it at one time, the people at PSA/DNA seemed to be confident also. I think it's safe to say in my eyes that I got a good bat to put with my other key pieces. There was one that Bert owned that was recently on Ebay and pulled down, I emailed the seller. It is the M356 one cracked at the top, did anybody contact the guy and throw an offer on it? Curious, I was interested in that bat also.

-Tony