Terry Bradshaw possible gamer (Jersey 2/5)

[hof89]

Re: Terry Bradshaw possible gamer (Jersey 2/5)

what is piling?

how do I search for turf burns?

should I wash the jersey to find out if the stains come out?

NO don't wash it! Leave it as is...just use your best judgement when it comes to wear...does it look worn to you? Does the dirt and grime appear to be manufactured?? Afterall, the Steelers wore their black jersey's predominatly at home on ARTIFICIAL TURF!! No dirt and grime can come from that!! Again, just keep as is and enjoy it in your collection...

[apujols04]

Re: Terry Bradshaw possible gamer (Jersey 2/5)

Authenticators charge fees and based upon what has been said in this forum, there are alot of question swith it. I do think there is a chance that an authenticator could say it's good and then want to buy it from you and have it end up in some auction house going for big $$$. As for your questions...is it from '77, or pre-season '78 or from whenever, again is SPECULATION. If you have to keep asking questions, that you're trying to convince yourself that it's something it's not. Just enjoy it as a nice vintage authentic Bradshaw jersey...

Thanks again. i do wish I knew what his first preseason jersey in 1978 looked like. I would pay to see pics from that game. Either way it is a unique jersey. I like the idea that the Steelers may have given out this jersey as well. It would be cool if that was the case.

[hof89]

Re: Terry Bradshaw possible gamer (Jersey 2/5)

I'll keep my eyes open for you, but I'm not sure if preseason pics from 1978 are around! Again, ALL the pictures I have seen have that extra material after the sleeves striping. Good luck in whatever you do!!!

[apujols04]

Re: Terry Bradshaw possible gamer (Jersey 2/5)

I'll keep my eyes open for you, but I'm not sure if preseason pics from 1978 are around! Again, ALL the pictures I have seen have that extra material after the sleeves striping. Good luck in whatever you do!!!

HOF89,

What would be a good sell price based on FMV for this jersey if I was able to get Terry Bradshaw to sign it with the 4x SB Champs and HOF inscriptions? Is it legal/ethical for me to sell this jersey or even get it signed?

[apujols04]

Re: Terry Bradshaw possible gamer (Jersey 2/5)

The bradshaw and unitas jersey have been sold as not game used but authentic jerseys. If anyone is interested in the staubach jersey for a similar deal please let me know.

[both-teams-played-hard]

Re: Terry Bradshaw possible gamer (Jersey 2/5)

Pujols
I don't want to cockblock the buyer of your Bradshaw...but damn dude what was your hurry to sell?? Do you have an eBay account? When this jersey is for sale at a Major auction house, you might have regrets. No one spoke up with more information, 'cause they want the jersey for themselves! Do you think you received offers because these folks wanted an original "throwback"? I hate to come across as salty, but you sold this dream about "nice to have", "great addition to my collection", "these people wanted someone younger, who appreciates jerseys, to own them". I'm going back to my original response to your threads..."this is a joke".

[apujols04]

Re: Terry Bradshaw possible gamer (Jersey 2/5)

I knew I just had to wait a minute to get a straight answer..I will not get conned into selling anything I own without showing to 2 or 3 authenticators. If somebody wants these jerseys, they must agree to me writing "not game used" onto the jersey. I will share where I received this tip, not to mention the legal ramifications of me selling a "like game used" jersey which somebody can attempt to tamper with. You sure did act completely honest in this situation.....exactly the problem people claim with the "game-used" industry. Nothing should be sold without a few atttempts and opinions on authenticity, and people should sell items with more than 1 letter like MEARS and LAMPSON together. And in addition, if I sell anything that is shown to not be authentic, I will write "not game used" on an appropriate place on the jersey.

[apujols04]

Re: Terry Bradshaw possible gamer (Jersey 2/5)

Pujols
I don't want to cockblock the buyer of your Bradshaw...but damn dude what was your hurry to sell?? Do you have an eBay account? When this jersey is for sale at a Major auction house, you might have regrets. No one spoke up with more information, 'cause they want the jersey for themselves! Do you think you received offers because these folks wanted an original "throwback"? I hate to come across as salty, but you sold this dream about "nice to have", "great addition to my collection", "these people wanted someone younger, who appreciates jerseys, to own them". I'm going back to my original response to your threads..."this is a joke".

So what is the joke.....me saying I really wanted and appreciated these jerseys? I told the sellers that if they were something special, I would do something nice for them. The reason being, I spent most of my savings on these 5 jerseys, and they know I may need to sell a couple. I entertained offers to sell them as throwbacks b/c I was out a lot of money if they are all fakes. Someone wants to pay $2000 for a throwback and wants it unwashed and with the 78 tag intact (even though it leaves it possible to commit fraud). Nothing I sell should be left open for possible fraud.

[apujols04]

From Gameworn.net

http://www.gameworn.net/selling.html

STEP #7 I believe is the right thing to do with proven (by multiple authenticators) fake jerseys.

[apujols04]

Re: Terry Bradshaw possible gamer (Jersey 2/5)

here we go.....a photo which proves a black steelers jersey can get dirty...

[hof89]

Is this guy a scam artist????

The prospective buyer of “apujols4” football jerseys (Bradshaw, Unitas and Staubach) contacted me and expressed his concerns about the seller. The prospective buyer stated that he had struck a deal to purchase the Bradshaw and Unitas jerseys NOT AS WORN, but as authentic jerseys of that era. I informed the buyer that I could only really comment on the Bradshaw and in my OPINION it was not game worn jersey of Bradshaw’s, but DEFINITLEY an authentic jersey!! He asked why and I informed him that if the jersey doesn’t stand on its own than there are issues. Meaning the jersey is tagged 1978, but WILL NEVER get photo referenced since that style wasn’t worn by Bradshaw in 1978…period!!! Is it possible that it was used at some other time? Sure, but that’s SPECULATION and anyone can do that!!! You need an EXPERT to tell you that?? Moreover, the prospective buyer told me “apujols4” showed all the jerseys in person to someone at Leland’s and they gave a thumbs DOWN TO ALL OF THEM!!! As many of you have stated with “apujols4”, he appears to be a fake, phony, who is using this forum to get a read on what is wrong with these jerseys and trying to “fix” the mistakes…as he has already indicated to the prospective buyer that he should have removed the 1978 year tag and then there wouldn’t have been so much controversy. This “apujols4” cancelled the deal with the prospective buyer and is now “shopping” these jerseys around to be authenticated as being game used. This hobby has become all about the $$$ and this “apujols4” is a disgrace to everyone who is legitimate…

TO ALL AUTHENTICATORS WHO READ THIS FORUM BECAREFUL WITH THIS SELLER!!!!!!

[apujols04]

Re: Is this guy a scam artist????

The prospective buyer of “apujols4” football jerseys (Bradshaw, Unitas and Staubach) contacted me and expressed his concerns about the seller. The prospective buyer stated that he had struck a deal to purchase the Bradshaw and Unitas jerseys NOT AS WORN, but as authentic jerseys of that era. I informed the buyer that I could only really comment on the Bradshaw and in my OPINION it was not game worn jersey of Bradshaw’s, but DEFINITLEY an authentic jersey!! He asked why and I informed him that if the jersey doesn’t stand on its own than there are issues. Meaning the jersey is tagged 1978, but WILL NEVER get photo referenced since that style wasn’t worn by Bradshaw in 1978…period!!! Is it possible that it was used at some other time? Sure, but that’s SPECULATION and anyone can do that!!! You need an EXPERT to tell you that?? Moreover, the prospective buyer told me “apujols4” showed all the jerseys in person to someone at Leland’s and they gave a thumbs DOWN TO ALL OF THEM!!! As many of you have stated with “apujols4”, he appears to be a fake, phony, who is using this forum to get a read on what is wrong with these jerseys and trying to “fix” the mistakes…as he has already indicated to the prospective buyer that he should have removed the 1978 year tag and then there wouldn’t have been so much controversy. This “apujols4” cancelled the deal with the prospective buyer and is now “shopping” these jerseys around to be authenticated as being game used. This hobby has become all about the $$$ and this “apujols4” is a disgrace to everyone who is legitimate…

TO ALL AUTHENTICATORS WHO READ THIS FORUM BECAREFUL WITH THIS SELLER!!!!!!

This is a joke. I think HOF89 is the person who struck a deal with me on these jerseys-b/c he has yet to identify himself. The condition on the trade we made was that the jerseys did not pass authentication by multiple of the major 4 authenticators. Once I told the buyer that if they did not pass authentication I would write "not game used" on them-then he freaked out. I get the feeling he was planning on tampering with them. I made my post about the jerseys being sold as fakes b/c I figured thats what it would take to get a straight answer.


I will not tamper with these jerseys in any way. I will have multiple authentications look at them (those used my Mastronet/Vintage Authentics/American Memorabilia). If all the authenticators say the jerseys are no good then the person who I agreed on the trade with gets the jerseys. he understood perfectly well that there was NO DEAL unless the jerseys were neither game issued or game worn. I posted all the pics so that if the jerseys do end up in an auction house, then you wuill see that they are unaltered from my original pics. If they are no good, I wikll write "not game used" on each and every one of them to help protect the hobby. I am not a crook. My propective possible buyer and HOF89 are either the same person or they are working together to make some shady deal. One of them went as far to say that if I show the jerseys to authenticators, then they will make sure the jerseys are pulled from and all auctions. Vintage, AMI, and Mastro use their authenticators for a reason. cause they are good. Yes, the Lelands guy expressed certain doubts about SOME of my 5 jerseys but reminded me that is was solely his opinion. Everyone here believed in multiple opinions. If all the specs match on these jerseys--then where did they come from? They may just be game issued. I WILL NOT TAMPER WITH THESE JERSEYS!

[apujols04]

Re: Is this guy a scam artist????

The prospective buyer of “apujols4” football jerseys (Bradshaw, Unitas and Staubach) contacted me and expressed his concerns about the seller. The prospective buyer stated that he had struck a deal to purchase the Bradshaw and Unitas jerseys NOT AS WORN, but as authentic jerseys of that era. I informed the buyer that I could only really comment on the Bradshaw and in my OPINION it was not game worn jersey of Bradshaw’s, but DEFINITLEY an authentic jersey!! He asked why and I informed him that if the jersey doesn’t stand on its own than there are issues. Meaning the jersey is tagged 1978, but WILL NEVER get photo referenced since that style wasn’t worn by Bradshaw in 1978…period!!! Is it possible that it was used at some other time? Sure, but that’s SPECULATION and anyone can do that!!! You need an EXPERT to tell you that?? Moreover, the prospective buyer told me “apujols4” showed all the jerseys in person to someone at Leland’s and they gave a thumbs DOWN TO ALL OF THEM!!! As many of you have stated with “apujols4”, he appears to be a fake, phony, who is using this forum to get a read on what is wrong with these jerseys and trying to “fix” the mistakes…as he has already indicated to the prospective buyer that he should have removed the 1978 year tag and then there wouldn’t have been so much controversy. This “apujols4” cancelled the deal with the prospective buyer and is now “shopping” these jerseys around to be authenticated as being game used. This hobby has become all about the $$$ and this “apujols4” is a disgrace to everyone who is legitimate…

TO ALL AUTHENTICATORS WHO READ THIS FORUM BECAREFUL WITH THIS SELLER!!!!!!

In addition, I know for a fact there are RAMS jerseys out there with WETRAK saying a jersey was worn in 2004 but has a 2003 year tag. I think I heard there are other certified as 2004 gamers with 2005 year tags. My Bradshaw jersey is DIRTY and that leaves the possibility it could be photo matched. I have yet to begin to do the research and watch the game tapes from 77 and 79. HOF89--unless you were the Steelers equiptment manager, then you know no more than other "steelers experts" I find it funny how you and C.A. are working so hard to get these jerseys out of my hands when there are so many "questions." Makes me think that if they are not game issued/used, then you are wanting to tamper with them. The Lalands guy was 1 man, and this whole thing is an inexact science. I have been told he doesn't authenticate barly anything game used without knowing the source---and I did not tell him mine. he may just be like the ones of you who are holding the fact I have 5 jerseys agaianst me when it comes to authentication.

DEFINE AN AUTHENTIC JERSEY? Game Issued? It seems like that is what you and C.A. are calling this jersey. if it is not a store model, and not game used...then what is it? Nobody will get their hands on these if they are proven to be not game issued or game used without my handwriting stating "not game used" on the jersey itself in an appropriate location.

That is what I promise...in addition to me saying I WILL NOT TAMPER WITH THESE JERSEYS TO MAKE THEM LOOK GAME USED IN ANY WAY!

If HOF/C.A. want the jersey for display purposes and want to protect the hobby, then why object when I want to wash it and write not game used on them to protect future possible victims if the jersey is "no good" as you both say. Or are you 2 the same person?

[apujols04]

Re: Terry Bradshaw possible gamer (Jersey 2/5)

Lastly, I only said I would consider removing the 1978 year tag AFTER I first wrote "not game used" on the jersey. I have done neither of these things at this point but if the jersey is sold as a fake/doctored jersey--then I will consider removing the 1978 tag from the hobby with a scissors, in addition to writing in sharpie "not game used" on the front or back of the jersey (at the buyers choice). MY JERSEYS WILL NOT END UP LIKE THE PROBLEMATIC NFL AUCTION JERSEYS SO ALL TALK SO BAD ABOUT. I WILL NOT LEAVE IT AS A POSSIBILITY! There will always be haters thats the way it is---especially when they want something you have. Both HOF89 and CA have contacted me on multiple, multiple occasions offering me upwards of $2500 cash/trade if i would sell them ONE "authentic fake/doctored" jersey which is not game issued or game used. Strange for someone saying so many bad things about them! I don't care if these are used or not at this point. I just want the facts, a few detailed letters about the facts from RESPECTED PROFESSIONAL authenticators. I don't believe C.A. or HOF89 falls into this definition. Lelands told me many positives about my jerseys, but they did not write a letter. if they did, I would be happy to share it. It is one mans opinion just like HOF89's opinion.

[apujols04]

Re: Is this guy a scam artist????

The prospective buyer of “apujols4” football jerseys (Bradshaw, Unitas and Staubach) contacted me and expressed his concerns about the seller. The prospective buyer stated that he had struck a deal to purchase the Bradshaw and Unitas jerseys NOT AS WORN, but as authentic jerseys of that era. I informed the buyer that I could only really comment on the Bradshaw and in my OPINION it was not game worn jersey of Bradshaw’s, but DEFINITLEY an authentic jersey!! He asked why and I informed him that if the jersey doesn’t stand on its own than there are issues. Meaning the jersey is tagged 1978, but WILL NEVER get photo referenced since that style wasn’t worn by Bradshaw in 1978…period!!! Is it possible that it was used at some other time? Sure, but that’s SPECULATION and anyone can do that!!! You need an EXPERT to tell you that?? Moreover, the prospective buyer told me “apujols4” showed all the jerseys in person to someone at Leland’s and they gave a thumbs DOWN TO ALL OF THEM!!! As many of you have stated with “apujols4”, he appears to be a fake, phony, who is using this forum to get a read on what is wrong with these jerseys and trying to “fix” the mistakes…as he has already indicated to the prospective buyer that he should have removed the 1978 year tag and then there wouldn’t have been so much controversy. This “apujols4” cancelled the deal with the prospective buyer and is now “shopping” these jerseys around to be authenticated as being game used. This hobby has become all about the $$$ and this “apujols4” is a disgrace to everyone who is legitimate…

TO ALL AUTHENTICATORS WHO READ THIS FORUM BECAREFUL WITH THIS SELLER!!!!!!

Now that we have the new rules on accusations, let me respond to this post. The "deal" I agreed to make for "authentic" jerseys had the stipulation the must be authenticated as store bought, and not game issued. I did not make a deal for any of these jerseys with anyone unless the jersey we discussed was proven beyond a reasonable doubt that the exact jersey was not indeed not ever game issued, but was store bought. I now hear there were no available store bought jerseys with the specs on my jersey. I am having MEARS and Lampson look at all 3 football jersets. PSA/DNA and mears will look at the 2 baseball jerseys, one of which Musial just signed for me with multiple unique inscriptions. As far as the clear ACCUSATION that I will try to fix the jerseys if there are anything wrong with them--NO!

HOF...about the commment about the many who say on this forum I appear to be a fake and a phony.......all these comments came from the 2-3 people who you helped try to dupe me out of the jerseys by using words such as authentic retail store bought jersey, and fakes when it came to my all of my jerseys. At the same time, CA was lying to me about what we were considering the definition of authentic. he swore they were fakes, and agreed there was no deal if they were game issued or better. he then freaked freaked out when I was about to write "not game used" on unobvious parts of the jersey if they failed multiple forms of authentication--in order to protect the hobby. The agreed deal was that in order for there to be any trade between chris arone and I, the jerseys I was trading him had to be retail store bought, and not game issued or used. Therw would be no deal if this jersey was less than a store bought (aka a "fake"-which is a word we both should understand as meaning a forged jersey with COMPLETELY improper specs, forged tagging,etc..) This hobby is only about money for me when a person like you and CA are offering me a small amount for a potentially valuable jersey.