Washing Jerseys

[BU54CB]

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Thanks for your input.

I offered the jersey for sale believing it to be game used. The buyer said he'd like to buy it as long as I gave him 10 days to research the jersey after he received it. I told him no problem.

He received the jersey today and immediately washed it. Then he started researching, and because of a small "lift" on the collar of the jersey decided he didn't want it. I still contend the item is likely game used.

I commented before I saw the buyer wanted 10 days to research the jersey's authenticity. I'd say its reasonable to have some sort of return agreement, but the jersey should definitely not have been washed under these circumstances.

[Dalkiel]

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Gotcha.

I still wouldn't have washed it, until there was no chance it was going back. A guy once test drove my minty 4x4 and took his wife to A&W and ate in my truck. WTF dude? You can drop fries under the seat when it yours - no sooner.

But if that really is damage in the Getty pic, then he most likely just washed a game issued item, right?

Right. But, in my uneducated opinion only, the "rip" may not be anything more than the jersey pulled up. The assertion that it's damage in the photo is the opinion of the buyer only. They look identical (to me) otherwise.

Again, thanks for your input.

[MarinersFan34]

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My .03

To me, the research should have been done before hand, or in this case during the 10 day period, which it has to a degree. However, to me that would also mean that for those 10 days or until a decision is made regarding the purchase or refund NOTHING should be done to the jersey in any way other than physically inspecting it. Use a dryer sheet near your face if it's that bad but spraying fabreeze on it, washing it, wearing it, etc. absolutely NOT. Not until you tell the seller you agree to buy it and there will be no request for a refund should you wash it, do whatever you want with it.

Is it a rip or not? in my mind that's not even an issue here. The seller has one opinion and the buyer has another, that's the end of it. If you did not wash it or alter it in any way during your evaluation period then I agree, a full refund is in order since you are not happy with it. You did alter it in my opinion by washing it, it is not in the same exact condition as when it arrived. I would think coming to some agreeable sum would be the next step but I don't agree a full refund is due.

[cohibasmoker]

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I've attached the scan again. Look at the back neck portion of the jersey - it is NOT distorted or pulled up is it? Now, look at the rest of the collar - It is NOT distorted or pulled up is it? If it was a pull, the entire collar would have been distorted. Take any jersey and pinch it between your fingers and you'll see what I am talking about.

As for the Seller's "small lift", according to his earlier email, he stated, Yes, that's the picture that I've seen. I'm not sure what to say about the rip, but the patches seemed to match up perfectly when I compared them.

As for how it was advertised, it was offered on the forum.

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=37083

Thanks for the input guys.


Jim

[otismalibu]

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I'll say it's either something poking up thru the mesh portion or a rip in the collar portion

Someone fire up the Sports Machine!

[cohibasmoker]

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I'll say it's either something poking up thru the mesh portion or a rip in the collar portion

Someone fire up the Sports Machine!

Otis,

Thanks for your input. I'd like to add the following. If something was poking up from under the jersey, wouldn't the jersey collar be distorted? However, it the collar was ripped and/or torn wouldn't the collar stay flat and the ripped and/or torn section flap in the wind? Anyone who's been to Hawaii can attest to the wind.

Another point I'd like to make is about laundering an item. I totally understand what members are saying about laundering and I'd like to add that 99% of my jerseys have been washed. Are they any less authentic because they were laundered? There are jerseys in the Football and Baseball Hall of Fame - some have been laundered and others have NOT been laundered. Are the laundered jerseys any less authentic than the unlaundered ones?

As for doing your homework - I agree but it NOT until a person actually receives an item and compares it to images and statements can one be sure about the authenticity of an item.

As a example, most of us have sent items to auctions houses right? How does that work?
-Well, we usually contact them asking them if they would be interested in our item. Do they send a contract out at that point? No.
-How about after we send them scans? No.

So, when does an auction house actually agree that an item is authentic and they send out the necessary paperwork? It's after we send them the item so they can physically examine it!!! By the way, I have NEVER had an auction house ask me if an item was ever washed or not.

In closing, the jersey I received does NOT match-up to the jersey in the scan and that is why I asked for a refund. Whether or not I washed the jersey or not is a moot point and as such, I appreciate the input from members. This is an open forum and everyone has an opinion and everyone is more than welcome to keep the thread going.

Jim

[Dalkiel]

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It's only clearly a different jersey to one person. You.

By washing the jersey, in my opinion (and I'm perfectly open to hearing contradictory thoughts), you voided any and all agreements we may have made and purchased the item.

[Fnazxc0114]

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any chance he wore two jerseys?

[BU54CB]

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Otis,

Thanks for your input. I'd like to add the following. If something was poking up from under the jersey, wouldn't the jersey collar be distorted? However, it the collar was ripped and/or torn wouldn't the collar stay flat and the ripped and/or torn section flap in the wind? Anyone who's been to Hawaii can attest to the wind.

Another point I'd like to make is about laundering an item. I totally understand what members are saying about laundering and I'd like to add that 99% of my jerseys have been washed. Are they any less authentic because they were laundered? There are jerseys in the Football and Baseball Hall of Fame - some have been laundered and others have NOT been laundered. Are the laundered jerseys any less authentic than the unlaundered ones?

As for doing your homework - I agree but it NOT until a person actually receives an item and compares it to images and statements can one be sure about the authenticity of an item.

As a example, most of us have sent items to auctions houses right? How does that work?
-Well, we usually contact them asking them if they would be interested in our item. Do they send a contract out at that point? No.
-How about after we send them scans? No.

So, when does an auction house actually agree that an item is authentic and they send out the necessary paperwork? It's after we send them the item so they can physically examine it!!! By the way, I have NEVER had an auction house ask me if an item was ever washed or not.

In closing, the jersey I received does NOT match-up to the jersey in the scan and that is why I asked for a refund. Whether or not I washed the jersey or not is a moot point and as such, I appreciate the input from members. This is an open forum and everyone has an opinion and everyone is more than welcome to keep the thread going.

Jim

I guess I don't understand how you washing the jersey is a moot point? You had an agreement with the seller to examine it for 10 days, correct? Until you told the seller you wanted the jersey, it wasn't yours to do anything with, including throwing it into the washer.

What an auction house asks about a jersey does not apply in this situation, the seller isn't an auction house and the seller is clearly not happy with you washing it.

[cohibasmoker]

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I guess I don't understand how you washing the jersey is a moot point? You had an agreement with the seller to examine it for 10 days, correct? Until you told the seller you wanted the jersey, it wasn't yours to do anything with, including throwing it into the washer.

What an auction house asks about a jersey does not apply in this situation, the seller isn't an auction house and the seller is clearly not happy with you washing it.

Understood but does washing the jersey change the authenticity of the jersey? Was it authentic before I washed it and then un-authentic after I washed it? Everything is the same on the jersey, even the tape residue marks, as when I got it except the smell.

Let's not forgot about the fact that the jersey does NOT match the jersey shown on Getty images.

Jim

[otismalibu]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaqhOe2wCuo

At the 1:05 mark you can get a decent shot of the back of Warren's jersey. Just for a rough reference for NOB positioning.

Then scroll to about 5:10 and check out the same area of Irvin and then Moon's jersey.

[BU54CB]

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Understood but does washing the jersey change the authenticity of the jersey? Was it authentic before I washed it and then un-authentic after I washed it? Everything is the same on the jersey, even the tape residue marks, as when I got it except the smell.

Let's not forgot about the fact that the jersey does NOT match the jersey shown on Getty images.

Jim

You are correct, it has not changed the authenticity. Regardless, the condition of the jersey has changed for the person you bought it from and are now seeking a refund from.

So far, I have not seen any decisive evidence that the jersey does not match the single image found for this jersey. Surely there is a lot to question, but I don't think you can base the authenticity based on 1 single image. Can you provide any close up photos of the collar in that area?

[BU54CB]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaqhOe2wCuo


At the 1:05 mark you can get a decent shot of the back of Warren's jersey. Just for a rough reference for NOB positioning.

Then scroll to about 5:10 and check out the same area of Irvin and then Moon's jersey.

Great footage at the 5:10 mark, shows a possible similar condition on the collar as the jersey in question.

[Dalkiel]

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Great footage at the 5:10 mark, shows a possible similar condition on the collar as the jersey in question.

What I'm seeing just looks like maybe the pads or something are pushing the jersey material up along the neck. Is that what you mean?

[cohibasmoker]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaqhOe2wCuo


At the 1:05 mark you can get a decent shot of the back of Warren's jersey. Just for a rough reference for NOB positioning.

Then scroll to about 5:10 and check out the same area of Irvin and then Moon's jersey.

So Greg - would you say that, in looking at the video, that the collar condition is something that may have been prevalent on the Pro Bowl jerseys in 1995?

Jim