Kobe Rookie Uniform - I refuse to believe it!

[mickeymbz]

Re: Kobe Rookie Uniform - I refuse to believe it!


He has had since 97. It was part of his " I'm gonna die with this piece" of his holdings. Get your GFC letter and tell the morons on the web to f themselves.

In a message dated 2/25/2011 3:36:44 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mickeymbz@covad.net writes:

doug,,,,how long did dan own that kobe rook that i got from him? i know he had since 97..tell me if im wrong. some ------rs on the net are saying its bogus and it was just an extra. please let me know
mike

This comes from the dude who consigned at the hall of fame GFC auction...his was the specific collection that had the wilt,russel,etc,etc

[mickeymbz]

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I have serious doubt about whether Dan actually got that jersey in 96-97 and if it was actually game worn and not an extra. Dan listed this jersey several years ago, and the listing included a pair of game worn and signed rookie shoes. Here's the problem - the shoes were not even Kobe's rookie sneakers, they were the Adidas Crazy 8s. I believe he wore these his 2nd year in the league. So eventually Dan backtracked and pulled the shoes from the listing. Keep in mind the shoes had the EXACT same signature as the jersey...as if Kobe signed both items at once. Is that even a rookie signature on your jersey is another topic all together.

so now the discussion has turned from whether the uni was bought for the said amount to whether this is even a legit used piece? i usually dont care bout auto's and would prefer to not have them...and could really care less bout when it was signed....why dont you go on board then and say dan does indeed sell non-used stuff that he claims is game used. ive known dan since the early 90's known all his partners since then,,and that piece he owned in 97 and he would not let go..its one thing to deem something overpaid and something not legit..whatever

[mmonte4]

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so whats "obvious" going on here with these jerseys? what are you seeing thru these transparencies. im just addressing the whats and whys of these rooks....addressing the fact you "senior" members have all the answers,,what is laughable you "experts" were taken in by the paragon knock off..YOU are the ones that were stating that piece is market value...when in actuality it wasnt even real....obviously not real! ive known dan and that rookie since he got it in 96/97,,and i know of the purple rook he got for his friend in the same year...both of them would not let either go for 10k back in 2002. dan doesnt collect anything...but that was the only thing he ever kept...and wary of ever giving up. i dont mind paying high prices for pieces that actually were part of reputable persons collection.

I have serious doubt about whether Dan actually got that jersey in 96-97 and if it was actually game worn and not an extra. Dan listed this jersey several years ago, and the listing included a pair of game worn and signed rookie shoes. Here's the problem - the shoes were not even Kobe's rookie sneakers, they were the Adidas Crazy 8s. I believe he wore these his 2nd year in the league. So eventually Dan backtracked and pulled the shoes from the listing. Keep in mind the shoes had the EXACT same signature as the jersey...as if Kobe signed both items at once. Is that even a rookie signature on your jersey is another topic all together.

[sportscentury]

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so whats "obvious" going on here with these jerseys? what are you seeing thru these transparencies. im just addressing the whats and whys of these rooks....addressing the fact you "senior" members have all the answers,,what is laughable you "experts" were taken in by the paragon knock off..YOU are the ones that were stating that piece is market value...when in actuality it wasnt even real....obviously not real! ive known dan and that rookie since he got it in 96/97,,and i know of the purple rook he got for his friend in the same year...both of them would not let either go for 10k back in 2002. dan doesnt collect anything...but that was the only thing he ever kept...and wary of ever giving up. i dont mind paying high prices for pieces that actually were part of reputable persons collection.

Do not quote me and then proceed to make false claims about me. Receiving unsolicited rambling emails from you in which you stated you could not post here (even though you are registered with two different userids and most clearly can post here) was bad enough. I've never made a single statement about the Paragon jersey. You have no clue whatsoever as to my knowledge of Lakers jerseys, Lakers equipment, or basketball game worn items in general. I do not believe that the jersey sold for $26,000, for many of the reasons already articulated in this thread, plus others. The way you have responded to this situation has not exactly helped your case. Either way, good luck with your various Kobe rookie jerseys.

[mickeymbz]

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You're comparing a home jersey to a road jersey. It is possible the lettering was different?

again,im no expert...but tell me ANY team in any major league sports where lettering is different from home and road. maybe there is ,maybe there isnt. but definetly lakers stuff never varied tween home and road!any laker collector would know that.

the condescending attitude in these forums from people who have been here for years vs people just trying to associate with others in the hobby is ridiculous... there are people i know that have seriously sick collections that dont even have 1 iota of uppity tude as you see here...

[mickeymbz]

Re: Kobe Rookie Uniform - I refuse to believe it!

Re-read the thread and you'll have your answer. It's pretty transparent what is going on here with these jerseys.

so whats "obvious" going on here with these jerseys? what are you seeing thru these transparencies. im just addressing the whats and whys of these rooks....addressing the fact you "senior" members have all the answers,,what is laughable you "experts" were taken in by the paragon knock off..YOU are the ones that were stating that piece is market value...when in actuality it wasnt even real....obviously not real! ive known dan and that rookie since he got it in 96/97,,and i know of the purple rook he got for his friend in the same year...both of them would not let either go for 10k back in 2002. dan doesnt collect anything...but that was the only thing he ever kept...and wary of ever giving up. i dont mind paying high prices for pieces that actually were part of reputable persons collection.

[nickacs]

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My 2cents is the post about the Paragon jersey vs. real one, the Paragon one has incorrect NOB lettering style/size.

The 'Y' and 'A' are totally wrong:
- The real jersey pics show a more slender/skinner 'Y', while Paragon's has a fatter one and a lot more space between the 'R' to 'Y' vs. Getty's.
- Likewise, the real jersey pics also show a more skinnier 'A' and almost comes to a point (almost), but, but the Paragon has the 'A' with a more square line at the top of it.



Paragon:


Getty pics from May 1997 season:
Editorial image #: 51643469


Editorial image #: 52488226

[sportscentury]

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Am I the only one that's VERY skeptical of Kabron1971 and Mickeymbz?

Re-read the thread and you'll have your answer. It's pretty transparent what is going on here with these jerseys.

[mmonte4]

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Am I the only one that's VERY skeptical of Kabron1971 and Mickeymbz?

[mickeymbz]

Re: Kobe Rookie Uniform - I refuse to believe it!

care to address?

And don't bring up the Walton jersey. That was truly 1 of a kind and went for market price (auction). This would be like you offering $150k for the Walton.

oh yeah then why wouldnt he accept my offer of 20k a year ago... why wouldnt he take 24k from member kabron 1971?

[mickeymbz]

Re: Kobe Rookie Uniform - I refuse to believe it!

care to address?

And don't bring up the Walton jersey. That was truly 1 of a kind and went for market price (auction). This would be like you offering $150k for the Walton.

whatever dude...you and your holier than thou attitude.... try being more humble..... game worn snobbery

[mmonte4]

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I'm not buying it. It was listed on ebay forever and it generated no interest. He was also accepting "best offers" for a LONG TIME. I know for a fact he would have taken $15k. Later, it was listed auction style with a reserve and it didn't go over $10k (market value). Yet you pay an insane full asking price of $26k based upon a pseudo-photomatch?

care to address?

And don't bring up the Walton jersey. That was truly 1 of a kind and went for market price (auction). This would be like you offering $150k for the Walton.

[mickeymbz]

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based on the current market value of $20-26k....this is an absolute steal!

http://www.paragonauctionsite.com/Lo...50&category=16

this is the funniest part of this jersey...the #8 IS written in blue,,and it looks fresh and it is written on the size tag,,,never seen that before and ive seen many...

[sportscentury]

Re: Kobe Rookie Uniform - I refuse to believe it!

I'm not buying it. It was listed on ebay forever and it generated no interest. He was also accepting "best offers" for a LONG TIME. I know for a fact he would have taken $15k. Later, it was listed auction style with a reserve and it didn't go over $10k (market value). Yet you pay an insane full asking price of $26k based upon a pseudo-photomatch?

I agree completely. Nothing about this story is believable.

[sportscentury]

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hello all, my name is mick i am the buyer of this 26k kobe rookie..i bought this from dc sports dan...he even flew up here to portland oregon to deliver it. i have been unable to post for several days until i was given clearence..and i sat here in frustration reading all these posts about overpaying for this jersey..and that it was a bogus sale so dan can increase the value of kobe rooks. first of all i have been a collector of laker gamers since 1990 ..i think by know i know my stuff..what i feel for the piece is more important than any documentation,,i spoke to stu at meigray and he says the chance of photomatching this jersey this old is 50/50.ive done my own research and found the game it was used in. why are so many in the hobby so snobbish as to deem themselves experts in guaging what a gamer is worth??? i will pay any amount to obtain a piece that i find valuable...i think JTNbafan feels the same as i..he pays that amount cuz he knows what he is getting..then the notion that the paragon auction piece is only generating 2k at most.. veteran laker/kobe collectors are staying away from that piece...the NOB is so far off its not even funny.the NOB is totally an inaccurate representation of game used lakers uni's from the champion era.laker NOB in that era were all handcut block lettering.i will post pics of what i mean for you to compare.next,the piece dan now is offering for 20k is mine,....he is consigning that piece so i can recoup some of what i paid for his.someone ask,,where are these rookies coming from?? from me! this is my 4th complete rook gamer. i feel people have taken this thing overboard and fielding ridiculous accusations about dan trying to drive the market up for kobe rookie uni's .

LOL. Glad to see that at least one of your two GUU userids is (suddenly) working so that you can post here.