Team's definition of Game Used

[solarlottry]

Re: Team's definition of Game Used

Good points Mark! One question would be then that if a player is inactive, who is not a QB but is dressed, is the shirt game worn. NFL auctions sold a Andre Johnson shirt as "game worn" even though he was inactive. Does that mean he dressed but didnt play? I thought that NFL players who were inactive due to injury were on the sideline but in street clothes. Baseball may be different.

As for prices you are right on. I have no idea how, with players using so many shirts that prices are so high. It should be the opposite! I think it is multifactorial as to why prices are what they are. Prices at JO (no knock on JO here at all as they sell quality shirts) never start cheap thus raising the bar for other sellers. I have had numerous sellers tell me that they base their prices of old 49er shirts on current prices. So lets say JO prices (who knows what the shirt actually sold for) an average receiver shirt at $1500, the seller of the 49er shirt tells me that if an average player sells for $1500 then a John Taylor must be 3000$! The 49er seller doesnt know that the JO shirt actually sold for say 800$. All they see is the retail 1500$ and thats what they base their price on.

Sellers also use NFL auctions for pricing guidelines. I think sellers also realize that some collectors want what they have and know that they eventually will pay somewhere close to the asking price.

I also agree that one game wear is not what is ultimately desirable on game used items. With shirts being unwashed though one game wear can be fairly extensive though. Just look at the Willis shirt posted by Clay in "feb pickups". It is beat to hell!

Now and then their are bargains out there but overall i think stuff is way to expensive. It always should boil down to "you get what you pay for" and in some cases its true. A genuine Jerry Rice shirt should be expensive for the real deal.

Always buying 9r gamers
paul
garciajones@yahoo.com

[G1X]

Re: Team's definition of Game Used

Paul,

The only "inactive" player who dresses for the game is the "3rd quarterback". Keep in mind that there is the possiblity that he will actually play in the game as he can become "active" under several scenarios.

A player does not necessairly have to be injured to be declared "inactive" for the game. NFL teams carry 53 players during the regular season, but only 45 can be active for a regular-season game, so eight players are declared inactive each week. They do not dress out for the game other than the 3rd quarterback.

Here is the rule: "Teams will be permitted an Active List of 45 players and an Inactive List of eight players for each regular-season and postseason game. Provided that a club has two quarterbacks on its 45-player Active List, a third quarterback from its Inactive List is permitted to dress for the game, but if he enters the game during the first three quarters, the other two quarterbacks are thereafter prohibited from playing."

As for Andre Johnson, if he was ruled inactive for a particular game, then he did not dress out for that game.

For those of you who are not familiar with the "Game Book" section on the NFL.com site, it is a great tool to find out which players were active and which were inactive for every game in the NFL over the past 10 years.

It takes a bit of navigating on the NFL.com site, and it can be a bit frustrating until you do it a few times and get used to the system. To access a Game Book for a particular game, take the following steps:
1. Click the "Scores" menu bar on the main NFL.com page.
2. Next, pick the season you are searching (look on the far right side of the page).
3. Once you are into the particular season you are seeking, determine the week number that the game was played (such as Week 1, Week 2, etc.) and click on that number at the top of the page.
4. Once you are on the page showing the particular week you need, find the line score of the game you are seeking.
5. On the line score for that particular game, click onto the "Box Score".
6. When the Box Score downloads, you will see an option to download the "Game Book" in a PDF format (located just above the Scoring Summary).

Hope this information is useful.

Mark Hayne
Gridiron Exchange
gixc@verizon.net

Always looking for Atlanta Falcons, World Football League, AFL/NFL durene jerseys, and Willie McGee and Darren Lewis game used items.

[solarlottry]

Re: Team's definition of Game Used

Mark that is what i figured that only the 3rd QB who is "inactive" dressed for the game. Guys who are inactive or injured for that matter dont dress. I know that there are quite a few guys who are perfectly ready to play but are inactive for any number of reasons. I am sure it pisses players off who want to play but due to "coaches decisions" are made inactive.

Thanks for the tip in finding who was inactive for various games! it is good info to have.

What is funny is that there is a possible 49er gamer (Patrick Estes) on ebay now who was signed on the day of the game and cut one week later. I have not checked the PSA/DNA # yet to determine if it is a practice or game worn shirt. It is from the Mexico City game and supposedly there were two shirts issued-one game worn and the other practice worn. The player was in training camp, then cut, then resigned on the exact day of the game. It would be good info to have if he was indeed active or not to determine what the shirt is. It would also be interesting to see if NFL has it cataloged as "game worn" even if he was inactive.

The Andre Johnson shirt was clearly game ISSUED but sold as game used. It still sold for over 1K but with a little homework it would have been easy to see that he was inactive and thus not dressed.

Mark you are an immensely valuable asset to the football and overall collecting hobby! Your posts are always interesting and educational. please keep it up!

Always buying 49ers gamers. I will pay you $$$$ for your 1994 shirts!
Paul
garciajones@yahoo.com

[legaleagle92481]

Re: Team's definition of Game Used

Paul,

The only "inactive" player who dresses for the game is the "3rd quarterback". Keep in mind that there is the possiblity that he will actually play in the game as he can become "active" under several scenarios.

A player does not necessairly have to be injured to be declared "inactive" for the game. NFL teams carry 53 players during the regular season, but only 45 can be active for a regular-season game, so eight players are declared inactive each week. They do not dress out for the game other than the 3rd quarterback.

Here is the rule: "Teams will be permitted an Active List of 45 players and an Inactive List of eight players for each regular-season and postseason game. Provided that a club has two quarterbacks on its 45-player Active List, a third quarterback from its Inactive List is permitted to dress for the game, but if he enters the game during the first three quarters, the other two quarterbacks are thereafter prohibited from playing."

As for Andre Johnson, if he was ruled inactive for a particular game, then he did not dress out for that game.

For those of you who are not familiar with the "Game Book" section on the NFL.com site, it is a great tool to find out which players were active and which were inactive for every game in the NFL over the past 10 years.

It takes a bit of navigating on the NFL.com site, and it can be a bit frustrating until you do it a few times and get used to the system. To access a Game Book for a particular game, take the following steps:
1. Click the "Scores" menu bar on the main NFL.com page.
2. Next, pick the season you are searching (look on the far right side of the page).
3. Once you are into the particular season you are seeking, determine the week number that the game was played (such as Week 1, Week 2, etc.) and click on that number at the top of the page.
4. Once you are on the page showing the particular week you need, find the line score of the game you are seeking.
5. On the line score for that particular game, click onto the "Box Score".
6. When the Box Score downloads, you will see an option to download the "Game Book" in a PDF format (located just above the Scoring Summary).

Hope this information is useful.

Mark Hayne
Gridiron Exchange
gixc@verizon.net

Always looking for Atlanta Falcons, World Football League, AFL/NFL durene jerseys, and Willie McGee and Darren Lewis game used items.

Another good place to find this type of info. is the game logs profootball reference.com keeps for each player.

[legaleagle92481]

Re: Team's definition of Game Used

In the NFL, the "third" quarterback is inactive, but he dresses out and can end up playing in the game in the event of an injury. The NFL does this so that a team doesn't end up without a QB. In the early 1980s in the NFC championship game, Drew Pearson ended up playing QB for the Cowboys at the end of the game after both QBs were knocked out of the game. I don't think that the NFL wants to see that happen again.

In major league baseball, any player sitting on the bench suppposed to be in uniform. So if a player is on the DL and not on the active roster but is traveling with the club, he has to wear his uniform if he sits in the dugout.

I personally do not like to see a lot of jerseys of the same player made available for a lot of reasons, but mainly because of the fact that one-game wear is not what I want in a jersey. As for the value, I'm not sure I completely understand why football jerseys have suddenly become hyper-priced during the past few years. More and more are becoming available - some players are wearing 16 or more each year - yet the prices are going out of sight.

Keep in mind that 16 jerseys is a lot of jerseys for one player. That's nearly 50 jerseys in 3 years! I deal with a lot of folks in this hobby, and most I know have a tough time coming up with the change to buy a few commons for about one-tenth of the price of some of the high-priced shirts.

Each to their own in what they collect and how much they spend. Most of us collect because we like the items we collect, but at the same time, I believe that most of us also want to get a fair return when/if we ever decide to trade or sell items from our collections. I don't see that happening based on some of the prices I am seeing in the marketplace for current-era jerseys.

Just something to think about in the long run . . .

Mark Hayne
Gridiron Exchange
gixc@verizon.net

Always looking for Atlanta Falcons, World Football League, AFL/NFL durene jerseys, and Willie McGee and Darren Lewis game used items.

Oversaturation is the hallmark of the sports collectibles hobby. First it was cards. Then autographs and now its game used. Except for pre1970 cards and autographs of those who died before 1980 those two markets are full of stuff and the items are nothing more than pricepoint items. He who sells lowest gets the sale. Personally I lost a small fortune in both. Ive liquidated both collections for about 10-25% of what I paid for most of the stuff. I initially tried selling it at a profit or what I paid but had little interest so my choices were to hold it or take my lumps. Game used stuff is headed down the same path. In five years it will be beyond oversatured. But that is why this is a hobby. If your looking for investments this is not place to look. But It is fun and this stuff is just cool to have. By no means should someone invest the kids college money in it or money they cant afford to lose but its a good way to spend some disposable income.