shame on you TAMPA BAY RAYS

[Skizzick]

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To play Devil's Advocate, the cigar on the original jersey looks more like a big turd with some white stuff on the end than a cigar.

[mlupo]

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And taking the image of a cigar off a jersey shows a "lack of competitive edge" in exactly...what way? Tobacco makes you strong? Only pussies get cancer? You left me back at the bakery.

Sorry, I should have made my point a little clearer. I was directing my comments at "Pussification of America", I feel this has less to do about tobacco and more about someone being offended. America is soft these days, we can say this word or that word because someone's feelings could get hurt. Man kids are going to go out into the real world and be in for a major culture shock, people don't just have you things because you try or even just show up. For the record I am not a smoker and never have been, but if you are going to use a jersey, keep it the way it was or don't use it.

[mlupo]

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i think he was reffering to my comment "pussification of America" in general not just on this topic.

THANK YOU, yes my comment was directed at the "pussification of America"

[cohibasmoker]

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Wow - Since everyone is hyped up about legalizing marijuana, instead of a cigar on their jerseys, perhaps the image of a cannabus plant be more "politically correct"?

mlupo - make no apologies - you're comments are on point.

Just my opinion, hope I didn't offend any one.

[mbenga28]

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can't show a cigar on a jersey but splash beer ads throughout the stadium. beautiful.

[momen55]

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it was an MLB decision and not the rays'! go figure!

[frikativ54]

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it was an MLB decision and not the rays'! go figure!

Were you told this by the Rays? If so, this decision doesn't surprise me in the least.

[momen55]

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Were you told this by the Rays? If so, this decision doesn't surprise me in the least.

yes. MLB promotes drinking with coupons and wristbands and specials, but an image of a cigar on a jersey is offensive and sends a "bad" message to fans, especially children? give me a *&^%$#@ break!

[mlupo]

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MLB promotes drinking with coupons and wristbands and specials

And with a team named the BREWERS

[godwulf]

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Much that is dismissed or derided as being "politically correct" is actually nothing of the kind. A lot of the time, it's either a simple matter of being polite or it's a business decision; the case under discussion would very clearly seem to be the latter.

Sponsors and patrons are offended by the image of a cigar on a Baseball jersey, and think it sends a bad message to kids? I'm sure that at least one HoF Pirates infielder would agree. Even if you don't...even if you think it's stupid for people to think that way, it's not your company doing the sponsoring or your team (in the sense of your owning it) reacting to the expected concerns of the paying customers.

Yes, ballparks and teams do promote drinking, particularly beer sales. For the past season or two, Chase Field has sold "All you can eat" seats, where for the price of your ticket you can stuff your face with ballpark junk food for nine innings; that's healthy. One of the Diamondbacks' biggest sponsors is an Indian gambling casino. On the other hand, a person can have a beer, eat a little too much, or gamble occasionally, without adversely affecting their health or finances, as long as they do any of those things in moderation. That's the difference between those things and tobacco use.

[kudu]

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Yes, ballparks and teams do promote drinking, particularly beer sales. For the past season or two, Chase Field has sold "All you can eat" seats, where for the price of your ticket you can stuff your face with ballpark junk food for nine innings; that's healthy. One of the Diamondbacks' biggest sponsors is an Indian gambling casino. On the other hand, a person can have a beer, eat a little too much, or gamble occasionally, without adversely affecting their health or finances, as long as they do any of those things in moderation. That's the difference between those things and tobacco use.

Chase Bank promotes stealing money. So is it OK to steal money in moderation?

[sox83cubs84]

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Another one of MLB's PC policies that likely does little except mollify the PC crowd: SGA giveaways can only be given away to adults of legal age if they bear a beer, wine, or liquor sponsor logo on them. How many of these items end up in kids' hands anyway? And we're not talking SGAs that are offensive in and of themselves...we're referring to things like baseball caps, floppy hats, and even baseball cards (Miller Lite 1994-95 Brewers set). You can openly advertise alcoholic beverages inside the ballpark, either through ads or naming rights, but God forbid a 13-year old kid gets a team cap with a tiny Bud Light logo on the back.

Dave Miedema

[godwulf]

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Chase Bank promotes stealing money. So is it OK to steal money in moderation?

Chase Bank promotes stealing money? Really? How do they do that?

I can think of a couple of times that the Diamondbacks, themselves, have promoted stealing money: the Eric Byrnes contract and Richie Sexson, to name two.

[cubbs1232]

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The jerseys came in with the cigar on the jerseys and the Rays later removed them. The decision was made by the Rays not mlb.

a little funny fact.....the Rays have a CIGAR BAR in the trop

[frikativ54]

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The jerseys came in with the cigar on the jerseys and the Rays later removed them. The decision was made by the Rays not mlb.

a little funny fact.....the Rays have a CIGAR BAR in the trop

Interesting. We have two conflicting stories as to MLB's involvement. I wonder what went on...