Pujols Bats

[Dach0sen0ne]

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I bet this is what it was like in Salem, Massachusetts back in 1692.

[gorilla777]

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I bet this is what it was like in Salem, Massachusetts back in 1692.

True, or maybe the McCarthy hearings of the 1950s?

[BostonSportsFan]

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Maybe Juan can explain this as I am a little confused here, If I am to understand correctly, Juan is a CONTRACT AGENT with 3 current Nationals under contract. Why does a contract agent sell other players items that they don't represent? Isn't that against some code of ethics? It would be like Scott Boras doing the same thing. Can you imagine Scott Boras or Greg Genske or Casey Close personally selling an Albert Pujols bat? Juan, you claim to have 3 clients on the Washington Nationals including Livan Hernandez, do you really need to be hawking other players stuff for extra money?


While I am sure this might happen elsewhere, I simply cannot imagine contract agents actively selling game used memorabilia of players they do not represent under contract.

You make yourself out to be some sort of saint but are you just simply another guy out there looking for a quick buck because of the position of access you have to players inside the clubhouse? Does this stuff you obtain ever come directly from the players you represent? Again, on some level it seems like a conflict of interest.

Hopefully we hear back from Juan and can clear up this mess shortly.

Jeb

Jeb, this is a great point. When I first contacted Juan two days ago, I did so at the advice of another collector that said he had this Pujols bat available for sale. I always like to know who I am dealing with and upon doing some additional research I now realize that Juan is a Contract Agent for what according to Baseball Reference is only Livan Hernandez. Ironically, he and Greg Genske another agent are listed as dual agents for Livan. http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...ali01&t=p&year.

Who are the other two players on the Nationals that he represents? I could not find any additional information that Juan currently represents any other players as a contract agent other than Livan Hernandez. Ultimately that does not matter in this case as clearly he does not represent Albert Pujols http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...ujolal01.shtml who is the player in this situation whose memorabilia is being sold by a sports contract agent that does not represent that player in any capacity.

Greg is currently the lead agent/owner in a group at LS Legacy Sports Group and represents a number of baseball and football players. I do not know who the other players are that Juan represents but I would pose several questions on this matter based on the above.

1. Is Greg Genske who apparently would be Juan's boss aware that a Contract agent is actively selling game used memorabilia of players he does not represent on the field? Would this be a matter of concern to Genske if he was aware of this situation?

Again, to the best of my knowledge, Juan is not a memorabilia agent. He clearly is not a Steiner Sports, or Scot Monette or similar that have memorabilia contracts in place with players and teams. There is to the best of my knowledge a MAJOR difference between a contract agent and a memorabilia agent that is compounded by the fact as pointed out by Jeb this agent is selling memorabilia from a player or players he does not even represent in any capacity. Is that a conflict of interest on many levels?

2. Another additional google search turns up the following, http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...ndering-probe/

Livan is currently being investigated by a number of federal agencies for what amounts to money laudering and dealing with a known Puerto Rican Drug Dealer. While this does not specifically deal with this bat, it seems like a situation where if I was this guy's agent, I would not want anything on any level to come to the surface in terms of bad press or questions about my business ethics. The fact that your client is associating with someone at this level is very bad to say the least.

What is extremely troubling to me is that someone is now in possession of a doctored bat. I have no idea what Juan was payed for this bat, as we never got to discussing a price for it. Juan told me via email that he possibly would have the bat spoken for so we never got around to price. Later that day several hours later he emailed me back and told me that the bat was sold. Someone clearly paid I am sure a very dear price for a forged bat of a player that is also clearly at the very top of the market in dollar value for today's stars. I am sure that buyer if they are aware of this is not too happy. Whomever doctored this bat did so at the expense of the buyer and collectors alike.

At the very least no matter who is at fault here, I am assuming that Juan will do the right thing since there appears to be zero question that this bat was doctored up and contact the buyer and fully refund this bat, make the buyer whole again and get this bad bat back out of the hobby. I would expect him to at least update us that the buyer has been made whole on this terrible deal.

This point was posted before, Many people are giving Juan the benefit of the doubt and that is fine until we find out what exactly happened if we ever really do. The fact is, we have no idea if and when this has happened before but I would certainly question anything purchased prior and certainly moving forward coming from this seller.

Several Pujols bat experts have come forward and stated on this thread that they cannot conclusively determine that the ball marks and seam marks on this bat are bad based on other exemplars. The only reason this bat was even caught was honestly sheer dumb luck so who is to say that this has never happened before coming from whatever source or chain of possession this occurred through? Again, we don't know conclusively who doctored this bat, we do know someone did doctor it and it was done so well, that absent the photos we would never have known it to be doctored. Since this was done so well, there honestly is probably no way to know if other items sold in the past have been doctored as well.

Clearly there are in my mind questionable practices from a licensed contract agent selling memorabilia of players he does not represent. Maybe everyone else has a different opinion on that but in my mind it is a major questionable red flag on ethics, conflict of interest, perhaps even from a legal standpoint as again, what does his boss either think about this or what if any terms are in his own contract with the agency about something like this?

Perhaps Juan will address these specific issues later today?

Joe

[Dewey2007]

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While only Juan can answer questions about who had access to the bat came from before he received it, I just hope that a refund has been offered to the person who the bat was sold to. That would be the first order of business now knowing this bat was forged with game use by someone who had access to it prior to it being sold. With all of the evidence presented in this thread that is the only right thing to do.

[nycpropain]

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Come on, this is insulting and thats why very prominent LONG time dealers dont even post here. Im done.....

By the way, any false statements on my integrity that get posted better be justified. I dont play that and I will follow legal action against anyone that does. Get to the bottom of that

Juan Iglesias
GrndSlm@aol.com

Why are you bringing up prominent long time dealers when discussing an obviously altered bat? Its the same EXACT bat no questions and long time dealers issues are irrelevant to this topic, we are talking about an obviously altered bat. Those long time dealers would tell you the same.

And if I where you I would call your lawyer and find out how the bat when from issued to used while in your possession. Or are you only suing people who point out that something fishy is going on? Good luck with that case. An honest source fixes this mistake, not takes his ball and leaves while threatening everyone lawsuits.

[spartanservitto]

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I was also offered the bat, I have to agree, something seemed off, glad the bat was discussed.

-Tony

[Canseco44]

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Juan, are you gonna respond to all of this? I have dealt with you before and have never heard anyone ever say a negative thing about you before, so I am giving you the benefit of the doubt. You have got to respond to this though and clear your name.

It seems to me that this may have happened before you got the bat, so you may have had no clue about it. Everyone needs to hear your side though. I noticed you posted in the classifieds today, so please post in this thread and clear some things up. I really hope to hear from you and that you had nothing to do with putting the use on this bat.

Thanks, Todd