Will the future hobby dismiss all non photomatched items?

[zookerman182]

Re: Will the future hobby dismiss all non photomatched items?

I was just thinking about this the other day.

People will do their homework and collect what they want to but those who are looking strictly to re-sell and make money will be trying to match everything in sight.

Even some collectors who arent in it to re-sell just like to know when the said item was used and if anything significant happened while using it.

Sellers putting a premium on photomatched items isnt too crazy. I would say depending on the match it may add 20% at the most.

Now depending on what the player accomplished while using the item that is photomatched is a different story. In that case the seller can jack the price up or down all they want.

[godwulf]

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I only collect for my own enjoyment so I could careless what the "hobby" cares about.

Exactly. The very question - will "the hobby" reject this or that - implies that all collectors are of a like mind, identical habits and standards, and a comparable level of anal-retentiveness.

And, as Mulligan pointed out - and I don't know how this very important point keeps getting missed, in "photo-matching" discussions - it takes only a very small investment in time and effort to create (or re-create) an item in a photo, especially given the blurry, poor quality images that the validity of most "photo-matches" seem to hinge on.

If collecting "high end" stuff is such a stressful, worrisome thing to someone, maybe the answer is to collect something else. Hobbies are supposed to be fun...right?

[Mulligans]

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The guy who forged the Tom Brady Jersey was Steve Misturini. He hangs out here as well as many other Sports memorabilia websites and ebay. The problem is he works under many different aliases and no one even knows that they are dealing with him.

It didn't cost me a dime to file criminal charges against him and force him to come Massachsetts to defend himself. Instead of a long drawn out battle, we settled but unfortunately he just keeps on going with his scam......

[Dach0sen0ne]

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Photomatching is just like doing your homework. Just becuase some MLB Authenticator puts something in a database, should I believe it? Nobody is perfect and EVERYONE makes mistakes. Here is an example FJ593185. Can someone tell me what the problem is??

[freddiefreeman5]

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Just shows that nothing is foolproof.
Even if I see the player take the jersey off and he signs it in front of me, the only person who will know its real is me and the player.

[Dolphins23]

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I like to start with solid paperwork and then try to photo match it......

Last year I purchased a high end football Jersey which was perfectly photo matched in 4 locations including recognizable staining, hit marks and a one of a kind nameplate location. It also came with a letter of provenance which was weak, but one just the same.

After some questions arose, One thing led to another and I spent a year in court with this well known forger. I ultimately prevailed and received all of my money back plus some.

Just because it is a great photo match doesn't always mean it's the real deal....the forger I dealt with went through painstaking detail to make this Jersey PERFECT.....all he had to do was find the pictures first to work from.

I truly learned a lot from my experience.......

WOW MULLIGANS! I'm so sorry. I'm currently going through the same thing with what was supposed to be a game worn Chad Pennington helmet! They guy scammed me and I shipped the Helmet back to him in hopes to get my money back.

I hope the guy who forged your jersey isin't who I'm thinking of

[solarlottry]

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I like to start with solid paperwork and then try to photo match it......

Last year I purchased a high end football Jersey which was perfectly photo matched in 4 locations including recognizable staining, hit marks and a one of a kind nameplate location. It also came with a letter of provenance which was weak, but one just the same.

After some questions arose, One thing led to another and I spent a year in court with this well known forger. I ultimately prevailed and received all of my money back plus some.

Just because it is a great photo match doesn't always mean it's the real deal....the forger I dealt with went through painstaking detail to make this Jersey PERFECT.....all he had to do was find the pictures first to work from.

I truly learned a lot from my experience.......

If I remember correctly it might have been a Brady gamer worn in the playoffs vs. the Jets? There was a thread about it and the give-away was how the tail was trimmed-i think. It was a really good forgery though! It is amazing what extent people will go to make $$$$. I am glad that it worked itself out although court and lawyers cannot be cheap. It must also be quite stressful.

You may not be able to provide the forum with any details of the court or legal battle but I think that knowing how hard it is to get your $ back might be an important lesson to every forum member. Doing one's homework is oh so crucial in this hobby! In fact by NOT doing my homework I sent back a perfectly good jersey that I regret to this very day. I was lucky enough (or unlucky in this case!) that the seller quickly refunded my money.

The fact that there is another thread up now trying to match the TO shirt supposedly worn vs. the Jets but cannot be matched to that game is interesting. The shirt has been matched to two other games but not the one it was supposedly worn in!!! Even from a source as reputable as JO a good photo-match is not easy.

Always buying 49ers shirts!
paul
garciajones@yahoo.com

[Number13]

Re: Will the future hobby dismiss all non photomatched items?

I only collect for my own enjoyment so I could careless what the "hobby" cares about.

Same here. I got into it to have fun more than anything else.

[Mulligans]

Re: Will the future hobby dismiss all non photomatched items?

I like to start with solid paperwork and then try to photo match it......

Last year I purchased a high end football Jersey which was perfectly photo matched in 4 locations including recognizable staining, hit marks and a one of a kind nameplate location. It also came with a letter of provenance which was weak, but one just the same.

After some questions arose, One thing led to another and I spent a year in court with this well known forger. I ultimately prevailed and received all of my money back plus some.

Just because it is a great photo match doesn't always mean it's the real deal....the forger I dealt with went through painstaking detail to make this Jersey PERFECT.....all he had to do was find the pictures first to work from.

I truly learned a lot from my experience.......

[kellsox]

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I've always thought that photo matching on items from the last few years has been overrated in the sense that many collectors/ dealers seem to add a premium to the value of the photo matched item. Speaking about MLB holo'd items, the database tells you when the item was used/ collected, a photo match only verifies what the database says. The MLB system is trusted by most as a method of authentic items obtained directly from teams. Why should the photo match add value??? There will always be means to obtain items outside of the major hobby distributors and if the appropriate HW is done these item still have value and desirability.
What I think will hurt the hobby is sheer volume of jerseys and equipment being used and put on the market. A flood seems inevitable. Everything that hits the field endsmup for sale Think about it - an NFL player plays 16 games a season for 6 years- that's close to 100 jerseys for that individual. Or an MLB player plays 10 seasons at 162 games per year. If they use 10-15 jerseys per year( which may be on the lower side) you can be looking at up to 150 jerseys on the market. If you want one you can easily get one.the supply will eventually overrun the demand.

[commando]

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Photo matches are becoming more necessary for newer jerseys with no provenance. How many Jordans show up on eBay with nothing but a thin story, or a LOA from someone you've never heard of? Buying jerseys manufactured over the past 20 years can get very tricky, especially for the stars and superstars.

Older jerseys still tell their own stories, by and large, and should continue to do just fine if you know which clues to look for.

[WadeInBmore]

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I think the photomatch is a very NEAT thing however I DO NOT see them ruling the roost as the hobby progresses. My feeling for this is based on the fact that the game used hobby long exhisted before Getty images and mass photos were taken daily at EVERY sporting event. It wasn't until what, 2006, that a noticable increase in the amount of photos available became standard. MLB tv only goes back to 06 as well. All the items prior to this anomaly will and should maintain their value and shouldn't be looked at as lesser items. Chances are if you can't photomatch an item from 1992 today, even in 20 years you will still won't be able to photomatch it because the images simply don't exist...it doesn't mean the jersey is no good.

I think what we are seeing is the evolution of a hobby AND technology. Even MLB authenicators weren't as prevelent in 01 when they first started...now look at them, they are everywhere. The hobby had a standard and when that standard changes so does the hobby but never is that old standard cast aside and treated as false or insifficient, just out dated and the "old school" way.

Wade

[freddiefreeman5]

Re: Will the future hobby dismiss all non photomatched items?

I only collect for my own enjoyment so I could careless what the "hobby" cares about.

[jppopma]

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I think a photomatch will help sell a jersey, maybe even increase the price. But I don't feel that non matched jerseys will never be dismissed.

Doing your homework and buying from reputable sellers together will often hold as much weight as a photomatch.

As we have seen on here, even with a perfect photomatch there will be naysayers. Personally, I don't care about photomatches nor have the time to go through all of my jerseys looking for matches either.

[masp3392]

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You see ging I never understood the whole photo match and quite frankly i think its overated big time. I have an interesting theory.

Lets say Johnny owns a game worn jersey of Dan Marino and shows a dirt stain on the front number of the jersey the 3 lets say. What if the pictures on getty images were taken of Dan before he was tackled into the dirt which caused the stain. And a person takes a picture from that game showing his jersey dosn't have the stain (not knowing it happend at a later time in the game, and getty dosn't have the picture of him with the stain up). I think photo matching is very overated and def will not stop me from buying. Yeah a photo match is a cool story piece but its not everything at all. This is my opinion. I don't know how other collectors feel, but yeah a photo match is def ehhhh IMO.

Just put in the Terrell Owens thread into effect. No one could really match the members jersey, and he was starting to get worried that it was maybe from a diferent game other then the game JO sports had listed.

Unfortunetly this hobby may one day come to the point where no photo match equals no money

Thats a great example and alot of people do that.

For example, lets take yours:

If someone has a game worn dan marino jersey thats beat to crap with dirt, stains, hit marks, repairs, etc ... and you post a photomatch of his jersey during the pregame, that would be a deal breaker for me and wouldn't constitute a "photomatch".

2 ways to prove:

1) If you have the beat up jersey and post a photomatch of the jersey while its clean (pregame), If you can definitively prove the photomatch by a certain strand, loose thread, patch placement, etc (and it better be good) ill consider.

2) If you have the beat up jersey and you have photos during the game with specific hit marks, tears, stains, etc ... that would be more definitive and holds more weight.