6 charged with fraud

[legaleagle92481]

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Huh? Why did you quote me?

Thats weird now it says you quoted Chuck odd.

[Preston]

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This is a great example of the nonsense in this thread. When faced with numerous questions regarding your purchase in which you consider fraudulent, you deflect the questions, and follow up with ridiculous statements. This should be a fact finding thread, in which you have been personally involved with "fraud" in a purchase from JO Sports Co, and be able to share the details of such. I still have yet to find one.

Truthfully I said it to see how you'd respond. I personally could care less if you work for JO or not, or if you like JO or not. They seem to be allright guys from when I've talked to them, but the fact that Jarrod pled guilty TO FRAUD doesn't bother you or you don't think that's a bad thing is concerning...Do I think they hurt the hobby? Absolutely because they "Attempt" to monopolize it, when in actuality it sets the bar too high for a lot of collectors (not me, but a lot) when if the teams themselves marketed their OWN game used stuff, it would cut out the middleman and cause the prices to be cheaper, and hopefully have each team authenticate them themselves and eliminate the risk of having anything happen to ruin its authenticity from point A to point B. It's not JUST about price - when you buy directly from the source and cut out the middleman, you eliminate the other factors that could cause problems.

[Eric]

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Lets stop name calling and focus on facts. Six people are being accused by the Department of Justice for plotting to defraud card companies and auction houses, which if you are a collector, essentially means you.

We have an actual opportunity to change things here. I feel like people are skipping over the fact that the FBI has made a detailed effort to fight fraud in our hobby. That is a pretty incredible thing.

Now, i would imagine there are people on here who can connect some of these dots between doctoring jerseys and getting them to auction houses and card companies. If you don't want to post here and want to keep your valuable information anonymous, you can email me at ecky3@aol.com

Eric

[cubbs1232]

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so I'm curious everyone that has been sticking up for j o , what you think about the other 5 that have been charged?

[camarokids]

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Thats weird now it says you quoted Chuck odd.

Not sure what happened. But I did click to on his quote.

I don't think anyone on here should be telling anyone to shut up.

Let's all play nice.

[3arod13]

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[3arod13]

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Enough said!

[schubert1970]

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Now let me get this straight. You claim above that JO "fraudulently sold doctored jerseys he had knowledge of as being bad to your forum members, among others.." Are you saying that you know exactly what the alleged charges are against JO? If so, please let me know how you acquired access to that information and how you know that JO knowingly "sold doctored jerseys" to forum members. I don't think anyone on here knows exactly what the charges are and yet you seem to have access to information that no one else has access to. Please let me know how you got that information and I will be glad to discuss it further with you.

Further, you also stated "He has the feds publicly placing him in the slammer". Once again, could you please let me know how you got that information as well? I have not seen anything that publicly states JO is going to "the slammer" and yet you are publicly making this claim.

As I mentioned, I do not know exactly what the specific charges are regarding JO and I mentioned leaving the forum open for him to respond to the questions members here have posed. Obviously, there appears to be reasons JO has not made any public statements yet and I, like you, will be interested in hearing them when he does. Please correct me if I'm wrong but JO has not posted anything on the forum since the release nor has he "lied to [you] some more".

As I mentioned, the forum is open for him to respond when he is ready. Until that time, or until further, credible information is publicly released, I do not think we are in a position to make the claims you have made regarding the investigation since I do not know anyone on here knows exactly the scope of what is involved.

Again, if you have access to privileged information that none of us have here, please let us know as well as how you acquired that information. If you do have access to that information, I will be glad to address your concerns as well as your unfounded accusations regarding my actions being in direct conflict with my claims of operating with honesty and integrity.

I'm all ears Mr. Schubert?

Sincerely,
Chris

Chis - Don't take my quote out of context.

"who has been flagged by the feds as a guy who fraudulently sold doctored jerseys".

JO will have his day in court. I'm not the judge or jury.

[b.heagy]

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[TriplexXxSports]

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[xpress34]

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The last details I heard, JO was "named" in a case in which there was fraud involving card companies. JO has not even been "directly" named. Other than that, ZERO DETAILS have been released. Until then, I will hold judgement.

JHunt -

You claim that JO has not been directly named?

JO is JARROD OLDRIDGE and he HAS been DIRECTLY named. Here's the links to ALL of the information so far that apparently hasn't been read by you or you aren't comprehending what you are reading:

The Original Article from Sports Collector's Daily website:

FBI: Six Memorabilia Dealers Charged With Fraud Involving “Hundreds of Thousands” of Dollars

From that article:

Federal prosecutors have charged six men with selling, consigning or auctioning jerseys to individuals--and card companies-- purported to have been worn by pro and college athletes that were never actually donned in competition.

According to the Justice Department, the cases are similar, but separate and involve doctoring jerseys to make them appear game used and re-selling them.

The four charged by information with mail fraud, indicating they may have already reached a plea agreement with prosecutors, were:

BERNARD GERNAY, a resident of New Jersey, involved in the business operations of Pro Sports Investments, Inc., a New Jersey business;

BRADLEY HORNE, a South Carolina resident, involved in the business operations of Authentic Sports Memorabilia, Inc., a South Carolina business;

JARROD OLDRIDGE, a resident of Nevada, involved in business operations of JO Sports, Inc., a Nevada business; and,

MITCHELL SCHUMACHER, a resident of Wisconsin, using the trade name MS Sports. **(Again, ALL GUU Members should read the earlier GUU thread that was linked in this thread on Mitch. As the saying goes, those who fail to learn from their past are doomed to repeat it.)**

Each mail fraud charge in these cases carries a maximum penalty of 20 years in prison, and a $250,000 maximum fine, or an alternate fine totaling twice the loss or twice the gain, whichever is greater. If convicted, the Court must impose a reasonable sentence under the advisory United States Sentencing Guidelines. **(I highlighted this because of the comments made earlier about 'going to the slammer'. This means if they are making pleas on the Mail Fraud, they are doing some type of time.)**

Here are the CHARGES against JO:

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA vs. JARROD OLDRIDGE (Violation: Title 18, United States Code)

For those of you that say that no one knows what they are charged with.

And finally, here's the UPDATE from Sports Collector's Daily website:

FBI Agent: Large Numbers of Jerseys or Jersey Pieces in Evidence

Here's highlights from that article:

The FBI says none of the six sports memorabilia dealers charged with fraud on Tuesday are facing conspiracy charges, but the accumulated total of jerseys and pieces of jerseys taken into evidence during its investigation in those cases runs into the thousands.

Mitchell Schumacher of Wisconsin (MS Sports) and Jarrod Oldridge of Nevada (JO Sports) have been charged by information with mail fraud. Investigators say each defendant represented jerseys as "game used" when they were not.

Investigators say some of the jerseys were cut up for use by sports card manufacturers. Others were sold or consigned to auctions. The FBI's Chicago office says some of them were altered to look game worn in an attempt to fool buyers who collect game jerseys and equipment.

Additional evidence being stockpiled by the FBI isn't likely to be revealed until a trial, if the cases get that far in federal court. Each case is being handled separately and the U.S. Attorney's Office isn't alleging conspiracy but the charges are so similar, the indictments were revealed together.

So, for all you JO LOVERS - since anyone on this thread who has spoken out against JO has been labeled as a HATER - what say you in light of all of this?

You guys keep saying that no one knows what JO was charged with... no one here was directly affected... we should just wait and see what the actual deal is before commenting... JO wasn't directly named...

I'm a college educated guy with a background in Loss Prevention and a collector of Sports Memorabilia for over 30 years. Although I have never had any dealings with JO and never intended to before this came to light (I'm a purely baseball guy), I still know when something is bad for the hobby as a whole (Baseball, Football, basketball, Hockey, etc) and this is BAD for the hobby.

If you can't see it from the articles referenced here, you are either blindly loyal to JO or have some kind of connection with JO that won't allow you to see the truth and you're looking at this whole deal through Rose Tinted glasses.

JO, Mitch and the others RIPPED PEOPLE OFF and have as much as admitted it by being Charged with a Criminal Information (meaning they are taking Pleas). It doesn't matter WHEN it happened - in Mitch's case, this is STRIKE TWO (he was nailed in Operation Bullpen) - or whether it happened to me, you or someone none of us knows. It still affects the hobby as a whole - and leaves it with a big black eye for all to see.

I have to laugh reading all these posts stating, 'show me proof', etc... your proof is above... JO is pleading this out because he knows the feds have him dead to rights. These include posts by - jhunt28, 34swtns, Palehose for Life and our own ChrisCavalier:

Reply to Schubert1970

Where he states:

Now let me get this straight. You claim above that JO "fraudulently sold doctored jerseys he had knowledge of as being bad to your forum members, among others.." Are you saying that you know exactly what the alleged charges are against JO? If so, please let me know how you acquired access to that information and how you know that JO knowingly "sold doctored jerseys" to forum members. I don't think anyone on here knows exactly what the charges are and yet you seem to have access to information that no one else has access to. Please let me know how you got that information and I will be glad to discuss it further with you.

I'm sorry Chris... as the OWNER of this forum, I would have though that YOU for sure would have read the entire thread and checked out any links made available.

The charges and information is all PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE which can easily be accessed - IF you really have the desire to know the truth.

The more I see these links and the information contained within (including posting them myself) and then see the naysayers - like yourself Mr Cavalier - claiming no one knows what the charges are, etc - I have to believe you are either in denial or don't really want to know.

Take whatever side you want in this battle - and yes, it is clear from this thread that this has become a battle that will no doubt divide some members of GUU - but to claim the facts aren't out there is not only ignorant, it is irresponsible to dismiss them when they been pointed out time and time again.

Do what you will with it gentlemen.

- Smitty

[Eric]

Re: 6 charged with fraud

Everyone-
Please stop with the name calling and stick to the topic.

[TNTtoys]

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I just got through reading the links provided by Smitty. I have a couple of questions.

1. The charges presented in the Dept of Justice documentation seems to contain all of the charges presented to the 6 dealers named by the investigation. Could it really be possible that every dealer did every one of the activities named? Or could this text have been replicated in 6 separate documents? And if so, how many of these things would JO have done (in keeping with the theme at hand)? And how many things were related to the others?

2. There are quite a few references between Oldridge and Inselberg in the document yet no other mention of the other 4 guys. What is the relationship between Oldridge and Inselberg? From what I have seen, Inselberg is related to a basketball shooting shirt whereas Oldridge sold football uniforms.

[lakeerie92]

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Not getting on any side here, just posting information. Inselberg is tied to NFL memorabilia here:

http://www.justice.gov/usao/iln/pr/rockford/2011/pr1025_01c.pdf

[MiLe HigH]

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Its obvious JO will never issue a statement so....Before anyone else burns anymore bridges!