6 charged with fraud

[BU54CB]

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jhunt28, 34swtns, Palehose for Life and our own ChrisCavalier

So because people don't agree with you or choose to exercise their freedom of choice, they have their head up their @ss?

"JO will have his day in court. I'm not the judge or jury." Seems like you may want to reconsider this statement, your posts about JO and other members contradict your statement.

[SkubeBats]

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Chris,
I'm still waiting for you to answer my questions from my post #334. I have made several post asking you for some answers but you still haven't done so. I look forward to hearing what you have to say.



I have learned so far in these post that their is a small handful of guys on here I will never do any buisness with and I hope the rest of you do the same. You guys are shown the reports and you still don't see that Jarrod has ripped people and companies off. What will it take for you to see the truth about the "GREAT JARROD OLDRIDGE". He's nothing but a punk and a scam artist who should be sent away for his crimes like any other scum bag.

[TNTtoys]

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Not getting on any side here, just posting information. Inselberg is tied to NFL memorabilia here:
http://www.justice.gov/usao/iln/pr/r...pr1025_01c.pdf

Russ,

And there's my point... Inselberg's document contains all of the exact same allegations as the others. Is it really possible that every single defendant in this case:

1. bought and sold uniforms of college and pro athletes
2. sold game issued jerseys to the public as game used
3. obtained hundreds of jerseys from other sellers
4. changed jerseys' appearances by roughening, scuffing, washing, dirtying
5. resold these jerseys to sports trading card companies
6. issued fraudulent certificates of authenticity
7. used UPS specifically to ship the jerseys across state lines

Although it is presented in several legal documents, I have a real hard time believing that every defendant did everything in the list. It almost appears like a cut and paste job.

[schubert1970]

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[QUOTE=BU54CB;272973]So because people don't agree with you or choose to exercise their freedom of choice, they have their head up their @ss?


No, but when you ignore some basic facts there can really be only in explanation.

[Eric]

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Russ,

And there's my point... Inselberg's document contains all of the exact same allegations as the others. Is it really possible that every single defendant in this case:

1. bought and sold uniforms of college and pro athletes
2. sold game issued jerseys to the public as game used
3. obtained hundreds of jerseys from other sellers
4. changed jerseys' appearances by roughening, scuffing, washing, dirtying
5. resold these jerseys to sports trading card companies
6. issued fraudulent certificates of authenticity
7. used UPS specifically to ship the jerseys across state lines

Although it is presented in several legal documents, I have a real hard time believing that every defendant did everything in the list. It almost appears like a cut and paste job.

These are Department Of Justice official court documents. Not a cut and paste job.
Seems like either they were involved in the same scheme, or they did things in a similar way- Perhaps they all tried to sell bad items to the same card company? Perhaps all of the jerseys were doctored in the same place- Could it have been Exclusive Pro which is in Rockford, Illinois where the documents were filed? There's definitely something similar in what they did, and the ends of each document suggest relationships between some of the parties...

[lakeerie92]

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Like I said, I am staying out of all of this, I just looked up the information to see if there was ties. I have owned one JO item I bought through a GUU auction, and don't collect football so I don't care to get involved with this. I definitely think the rest of the information should come out before the baby is thrown out with the bath water. There will be plenty of time to bash (or support) JO when all of the information is out there. I realize there is a lot of info already out, but the details aren't and I am waiting patiently to hear those.

[34swtns]

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I have learned so far in these post that their is a small handful of guys on here I will never do any buisness with and I hope the rest of you do the same. You guys are shown the reports and you still don't see that Jarrod has ripped people and companies off. What will it take for you to see the truth about the "GREAT JARROD OLDRIDGE". He's nothing but a punk and a scam artist who should be sent away for his crimes like any other scum bag.

Are we bordering on slander? I think we are!

More importantly (that being my opinion) I don't care if somebody ripped you off. I care if they rip me off.
Since that hasn't happened, I'm still good with JO.

Self-appointed "morality sheriffs" make me laugh.

[TNTtoys]

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Could it have been Exclusive Pro which is in Rockford, Illinois where the documents were filed?

I was under the impression that the FBI office was located in Rockford.

[SkubeBats]

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34swtns,
I never said I was ripped off buy Jarrod or JO SPorts. I never have delt with them and I never would. I only deal in baseball not football. I can state my opinion all day long if you don't like it don't read it. I have only stated facts that are made public and you and every other person can read them. The FBI agent that contacted me today said the information we have at hand is correct and the crooks have been charged and are trying to make pleas. If you have anymore question why don't you call and ask the FBI office in Chicago.

If you like to deal with people that rips off other people go right a head it's your life and your money. I will tell you that there will be people that will never do buisness with you again just for this reason and I will be the first to say I will never deal with you no matter what. It's people like you that keep him in buisness and the chance for him to hurt more people.

So when your shown that Jarrod and the other 5 guys are guilty are you still going to deal with Jarrod or the others??

[Eric]

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According to Sports Collectors Daily, the FBI's Chicago office made a statement about the case and says "The indictments were announced by Patrick J. Fitzgerald, U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Illinois and Robert Grant, Special Agent-in-Charge of the Chicago office of the FBI."

http://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com/fbi-agent-large-numbers-of-jerseys-or-jersey-pieces-in-evidence/

[34swtns]

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34swtns,
I never said I was ripped off buy Jarrod or JO SPorts. I never have delt with them and I never would. I only deal in baseball not football. I can state my opinion all day long if you don't like it don't read it. I have only stated facts that are made public and you and every other person can read them. The FBI agent that contacted me today said the information we have at hand is correct and the crooks have been charged and are trying to make pleas. If you have anymore question why don't you call and ask the FBI office in Chicago.

If you like to deal with people that rips off other people go right a head it's your life and your money. I will tell you that there will be people that will never do buisness with you again just for this reason and I will be the first to say I will never deal with you no matter what. It's people like you that keep him in buisness and the chance for him to hurt more people.

So when your shown that Jarrod and the other 5 guys are guilty are you still going to deal with Jarrod or the others??

Absolutely. Like I said, my concern extends only as far as my dealings with JO and they have been flawless.

As far as people continuing to deal with me, I only trade with a very few people here and I can guarantee you with a high degree of certainty that nothing will affect those people's trust in me, whatsoever. You and I travel in different circles and you know absolutely nothing about mine.

[xpress34]

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Well, you just keep on laughing then, comedy boy.

I think I've made it abundantly clear that I couldn't give a fat rat's ass what any of you holier-than-thou hypocrites think of me.

I'm not sure how you think it's a comedy that a guy is ripping off people.

I guess murder is okay with you too as long as it isn't YOU getting killed.

I would like to know how I'm a 'holier-than-thou hypocrite' for posting the information that has been made available and for stating my opinions?

To be a hypocrite, I would have to actually be doing something that I have spoken out against. So how about you 'show me proof' where I've been a hypocrite?

And you don't need to convince me that you'll continue to support JO - regardless of their innocence or guilt. All I have said regarding that is it's not good for the hobby to keep people around that have been busted for Fraud.

My only real 'question' to you is if a seller KNOWINGLY is putting fakes in with their authentics, don't you find that a bit disturbing on some level and at the least a 'conflict of interest'?

You've made it abundantly clear that the only thing you care about here is YOU and YOUR stuff. Not the hobby, and certainly not your fellow collector.

If you and others would actually look back at my posts in this thread, I have simply tried to keep the spotlight pointed on the original intent and that was the charges against JO, Mitch and the others.

When you and others have asked for 'proof' or 'what the charges are', I have relinked the websites. The fact that Jarrod is charged with a Criminal Information indicates that HE agreed that the prosecution had enough PROOF against him, so he is copping a plea.

I could care less about what good deals any dealer has made - once I find out they are a thief, I am done with them - even if they did me right in the past.

So again, please explain how I am a hypocrite because I would really like to know what you think you know about me.

I have simply stated facts while you come here throwing out barbs and attacks on people.

Good luck with your Bears jerseys. That's not sarcasm, that's sincere.

- Smitty

[xpress34]

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Russ,

And there's my point... Inselberg's document contains all of the exact same allegations as the others. Is it really possible that every single defendant in this case:

1. bought and sold uniforms of college and pro athletes
2. sold game issued jerseys to the public as game used
3. obtained hundreds of jerseys from other sellers
4. changed jerseys' appearances by roughening, scuffing, washing, dirtying
5. resold these jerseys to sports trading card companies
6. issued fraudulent certificates of authenticity
7. used UPS specifically to ship the jerseys across state lines

Although it is presented in several legal documents, I have a real hard time believing that every defendant did everything in the list. It almost appears like a cut and paste job.

TNT -

In one of the articles I linked a little earlier tonight it state that they are NOT filing conspiracy charges even though the charges against each of the defendants is nearly identical.

Just wanted to share that.

All the best -

Smitty

[gingi79]

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More importantly (that being my opinion) I don't care if somebody ripped you off. I care if they rip me off.
Since that hasn't happened, I'm still good with JO.

Since you are the most outspoken defender of JO in this thread, I wonder if you will indulge me with your opinion. I noticed in the C to C ads that you have sold a couple of Bears jerseys with JO paperwork in the past couple of years. Do you have any concerns regarding your ability to do so again in the future?

[TriplexXxSports]

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I was under the impression that the FBI office was located in Rockford.

Exclusive Pro is also located here in Rockford. However, it is the head office. Not a facility that works on jerseys. The jerseys are done at separate facilities.

Being that the head office is here, I am guessing that is why they refer to them as being a Rockford, Illinois company.