Photomatching JO Jerseys Related Issues

[SaintsGeaux]

Re: Photomatching JO Jerseys Related Issues

34Sweetness, when will you enlighten us on your CONCRETE FACT of how you know who buys from this membership from JO Sports.

Also post photos of your conclusive photomatched jerseys. I want to see how great this collection is and sure others would be educated also.

[schubert1970]

Re: Photomatching JO Jerseys Related Issues

Just saw this new, revamped version of the old thread.
Also saw some turd call me out in the very first post.

saintsgaux and shubert, do yourselves and all of us a favor: go find something else to sit for hours......literally HOURS your posts have required to type all the BS that flows from your gnarled fingertips.......and offer your opinions on.

Watch your neighbors, go sit at an intersection, lurk at the mall, whatever. I'm quite sure you both can find something else to occupy your necessary need to b#@ch about things you have no involvement in.

Your seemingly endless ranting like a couple of old busy-body women has become more than tiresome.

In short, get a life or simply just GO AWAY.

You know what. If I had bought as many items as you had from a fraudulent dealer, I'd be bitter too. I think I should be more understanding of your situation. Hope you future purchases have better results.

[schubert1970]

Re: Photomatching JO Jerseys Related Issues

Just saw this new, revamped version of the old thread.
Also saw some turd call me out in the very first post.

saintsgaux and shubert, do yourselves and all of us a favor: go find something else to sit for hours......literally HOURS your posts have required to type all the BS that flows from your gnarled fingertips.......and offer your opinions on.

Watch your neighbors, go sit at an intersection, lurk at the mall, whatever. I'm quite sure you both can find something else to occupy your necessary need to b#@ch about things you have no involvement in.

Your seemingly endless ranting like a couple of old busy-body women has become more than tiresome.

In short, get a life or simply just GO AWAY.

Typical.....once you run out of substance you get personal. Never seen someone so bitter and defensive about their collection. I'll give you this, you're entertaining. Keep 'em comming.

[Titans74]

Re: Photomatching JO Jerseys Related Issues

Why do you want to hang out a bunch of cheats and liars?

Fortunately, for me, I am able to seperate "online world" and real world relationships. I don't "hang out" online. And there are a few, very few, good members left here with whom sharing and talking game used makes it worth what little time I do spend online.

Hope that clears up your confussion.

[schubert1970]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

In my humble opinion, it's time for this thread to be shut down by Chris. All this thread has turned into is a smear campaign against JO Sports Co. At this point there's nothing constructive coming out of this thread. It's time to absoreb what's happend, internalize it and move on. Lets be honest, unless you got your jersey from the actual player who wore it...how do you really know if it's legit or not? Be educated on what you're purchasing.

Smearing JO Sports???? I'm still laughing over this comment. I think JO smeared themselves. Are you serious????? Sounds like another JO apologist.

If you plan to keep your items and you're happy with them great, but if you wanted to sell them your items took a financial hit photo matched or not.

[freddiefreeman5]

Re: Photomatching JO Jerseys Related Issues

I don't own one single JO jersey, but if I collected football I would purchase several. And I say this next sentence with 150% sincerity. I would by from JO before buying from 85% of GUU forum members. There are the very few, extremely rare, good guys here and then there are the majority that lie, cheat, misrepresent items for a buck etc.

Most (nearly all that I have personally looked at) of JO's products can be 100% photomatched and show OUTSTANDING, PHENOMIAL amounts of use. That can't be said about most of the items I've seen here with little to no evidence of use that some of you claim to be "game used".

Why do you want to hang out a bunch of cheats and liars?

[Titans74]

Re: Photomatching JO Jerseys Related Issues

I don't own one single JO jersey, but if I collected football I would purchase several. And I say this next sentence with 150% sincerity. I would by from JO before buying from 85% of GUU forum members. There are the very few, extremely rare, good guys here and then there are the majority that lie, cheat, misrepresent items for a buck etc.

Most (nearly all that I have personally looked at) of JO's products can be 100% photomatched and show OUTSTANDING, PHENOMIAL amounts of use. That can't be said about most of the items I've seen here with little to no evidence of use that some of you claim to be "game used".

[commando]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

Your examples arent even close to this situation. A better example would be Ford has been selling fake Mustangs for the past 5 years mixing them in with real ones. But there is no way to really know if you are getting a much cheaper replica. Watch the prices then.

And you seem to think they only sold these to card companies, which isnt the case. As for the one example you seem to be needing isnt a federal conviction enough? Is that not one example?

I appreciate your counter response, but I have to disagree. The example of Ford selling fake Mustangs with no way to tell the difference is not a realistic example. Cars, and even jerseys to a large extent, are unique and nearly impossible to fake correctly. If you have a degree of knowledge and access to info such as photos and characteristics of the real thing, you should absolutely be able to say an item is real.

Not to beat a dead horse, but I assume the "fake Mustangs" would be produced by Ford to save some money for the company. The corner-cutting and cheaper parts would be very evident.

I'm sure the dirty six are going to have to account for the bad stuff they sold. Hopefully, as many items as possible will be exposed for the benefit of us all. I will NEVER defend any of these guys.... But many of you on this board did indeed pay good money for good items.

[nycpropain]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

This and other related threads are quite the study in human nature. More specifically, I am referring to the "knee-jerk" reactions many people seem to have when something big happens. And yes, I do think the J.O./dirty six thing is very big.

With that being said, you see this kind of thinking happen over and over in the financial markets: What? CEO John Doe may have to resign because he lied on his taxes? CALL THE BROKER AND SELL, SELL, SELL! What? Apple's earnings are eight cents below projections this quarter? CALL THE BROKER AND SELL, SELL, SELL! What? The numbers have been audited and it appears that the accountant pocketed a few thousand dollars? SELL, SELL, SELL!!!

To be fair, of course it is possible that J.O. Sports sold bad (or sloppily documented) stuff. I'm not defending anyone in that regard. All I am saying is that when you start talking about forged photo matches from companies that had direct team contracts, you might want to find at least one example before you start spreading the panic. Most card companies were apparently not concerned with photo matches, but were depending on the reputations of the sellers. As has been stated before, there is a big difference between selling to a card company versus selling to a collector who will leave the jersey in one piece -- and will be probably concerned with dates, stains and loose threads.

Once again, this post is not meant to defend anyone. I'm simply looking at how certain people -- whether an investor or collector -- tend to overreact when events happen. A large, quick drop in the price of a stock due to a short-term event usually signals a good time to buy. I'll say the same thing here; if anyone wants to sell me their J.O. jerseys for 20% the price they originally paid, feel free to shoot me an email.

Your examples arent even close to this situation. A better example would be Ford has been selling fake Mustangs for the past 5 years mixing them in with real ones. But there is no way to really know if you are getting a much cheaper replica. Watch the prices then.

And you seem to think they only sold these to card companies, which isnt the case. As for the one example you seem to be needing isnt a federal conviction enough? Is that not one example?

[commando]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

This and other related threads are quite the study in human nature. More specifically, I am referring to the "knee-jerk" reactions many people seem to have when something big happens. And yes, I do think the J.O./dirty six thing is very big.

With that being said, you see this kind of thinking happen over and over in the financial markets: What? CEO John Doe may have to resign because he lied on his taxes? CALL THE BROKER AND SELL, SELL, SELL! What? Apple's earnings are eight cents below projections this quarter? CALL THE BROKER AND SELL, SELL, SELL! What? The numbers have been audited and it appears that the accountant pocketed a few thousand dollars? SELL, SELL, SELL!!!

To be fair, of course it is possible that J.O. Sports sold bad (or sloppily documented) stuff. I'm not defending anyone in that regard. All I am saying is that when you start talking about forged photo matches from companies that had direct team contracts, you might want to find at least one example before you start spreading the panic. Most card companies were apparently not concerned with photo matches, but were depending on the reputations of the sellers. As has been stated before, there is a big difference between selling to a card company versus selling to a collector who will leave the jersey in one piece -- and will be probably concerned with dates, stains and loose threads.

Once again, this post is not meant to defend anyone. I'm simply looking at how certain people -- whether an investor or collector -- tend to overreact when events happen. A large, quick drop in the price of a stock due to a short-term event usually signals a good time to buy. I'll say the same thing here; if anyone wants to sell me their J.O. jerseys for 20% the price they originally paid, feel free to shoot me an email.

[Tyrcha]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

This will be my ONLY post on this topic. EVERYTHING I've ever purchased from JO I've been able to photo match. Also, between high school, college, Arena and semi pro I've been a playing football going on 20 years. To go with that I am also a professional graphic/web designer. I can tell you with 99.9% accuaracy that all of my jerseys from JO have been photo matched without any sort of photoshopping from any party. The Bears items I have purchased, in my opinion, are 100% legit.

In my humble opinion, it's time for this thread to be shut down by Chris. All this thread has turned into is a smear campaign against JO Sports Co. At this point there's nothing constructive coming out of this thread. It's time to absoreb what's happend, internalize it and move on. Lets be honest, unless you got your jersey from the actual player who wore it...how do you really know if it's legit or not? Be educated on what you're purchasing.

[mickeymbz]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

Are you folks really debating photoshoping photos to show game use?

Wow, shouldn't that be a new thread? What does that have to do with the original topic?

Tell that to the poster who took a post about how JO could EASILY duplicate/replicate dirt/grass stains (absurd) found in photos of athletes to the fact that this goes hand in hand with photoshopped pics to match altered pieces.....

The fact that there is accusation as to "how" JO committed these crimes seems to be "on" the topic

but your condescending tude is appreciated (not)

[trsent]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

Are you folks really debating photoshoping photos to show game use?

Wow, shouldn't that be a new thread? What does that have to do with the original topic?

[mickeymbz]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

Exactly.. Sure I purchased 2 JO game worn jerseys from last season, and both can easily be photomatched to the 2 games the players played in. If I was to sell them right now to an actual memorabilia collector that even knows about the whole JO situation, sure I'm pretty sure I would not get anywhere close to what I paid for them. To the "average Joe" collector, they wouldn't even know. But does it matter? Like we always keep saying, a jersey is worth what someone will pay for it, regardless of where it originated from.

Am I upset at what happened, sure I am! No doubt about it. I'm not defending any actions committed by JOSports in this situation. But I know my jerseys are good and to the 'Saints' guy who keeps saying NFL jerseys are so easy to apply fake grass/dirt stains, sure no doubt about it. BUT, can anyone duplicate the EXACT grass/dirt stains to the EXACT same location and EXACT same color depth, no f-ing way. I don't care who you are, it is impossible. Without actual game photomatching and Getty/AP images to help my jerseys, sure, anything would be possible to fake. However, I feel 100% comfortable that my jerseys are 100% authentic, game worn and I will probably keep them for a very long time and that's all that matters to me

EXACTLY..... this post hits the nail on the head!! "w/o actual game photomatching and GETTY/AP images....." the source of the photo is obviously the key important part of the equation. trusting a pic from unkown source vs getty/ap pic is akin to trusting lampson loa vs meigray loa.......... not that im an loa guy. just saying

[mickeymbz]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

A current popular theory is you can't fake photo-matched dirt and wear, because it won't match up exactly to the photo. The problem with that theory being it doesn't take into account the genuine possibility that a forger might be manufacturing both the dirt and grass states on the jersey and the dirt and grass stains in the photo.

again ,,, as stated previously...you can place your grass/dirt stains here and there...but they (forger) are NOT going to conclusively forge matching aligned mesh hole locations ...to a matching high res GETTY/AP etc photo..... doesnt take a brain surgeon to depend on a high res photo from a reliable source. a pic provided by the so-called forger and its acceptance by the buyer is fool hardy at best,,,,and would be as one stated here..as GOOD as a lampson LOA. obviously this is going to take homework on behalf of the purchaser,,,and obviously this will be a task without jersey in hand