possible photo match on a team issued hat?

[jppopma]

Re: possible photo match on a team issued hat?

Jimmy, While he can do what he wants, alot of members on here try to help and educate others. Part of helping others is explaining the appearances and consequences of their actions.

Some people make things personal, and as a result some members get bashed for simply trying to help and warn others before they make big mistakes. Makes you think twice about going out of your way to help someone out...

Like Smitty said, reputation is everything in this hobby. Nobody needs to give reasons why they chose not to business with anybody else. Likewise, burning bridges to prevent receiving future assistance is dangerous to do too (I wonder how many people may go so far as to ignore members they don't trust or care to see).

The reason that people get upset about this type of activity is that one person can ruin it for everyone else. The drama pushes good members away and the feeling of being used will make guys that are good at photomatching not want to help anyone. It deteriorates the foundation of our forum.

For Jimmy...would your opinion and sickness change if you were seeking help to photomatch an item and found out that because of quiggle...people are not willing to help anybody (you in this instance) out or are no longer posting on here?

[GoTigers]

Re: possible photo match on a team issued hat?

My opinion does not change.. If someone came on here and said, "I need help photomatching something because I need to make a buck". I'd still help and not feel taken advantage of or question if the guy was a "true collector", as many do on the forum. And if nobody wants to help, just out of the goodness of their heart, I'd simply offer a finders fee of $50.. As I've done in the past. There are countless reasons why someone may need to sell, and as long as they are not lying or being misleading I have no problems. If it wasn't for "true collectors" selling items for profit I wouldn't have half my collection.

[GoTigers]

Re: possible photo match on a team issued hat?

But.. Getting back on point, I'm not so sure this is a photomatch anyways. The high res image from Getty shows the location and number of stitches in relation to the logo. If they match up I would say it is photomatch.

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if he got more help and responses if he did mention he wanted to sell the item up front. All interested parties would race to match the item and be the first with an offer.

[GoTigers]

Re: possible photo match on a team issued hat?

And I was talking about the stitches in the center seem of the hat. Not the actual stitches of the "NY"

[otismalibu]

Re: possible photo match on a team issued hat?

I vote for a Photo Match section being added to the forum.

A single place to browse anything from obvious matches to circled blurs.

Also, an easy way to keep track of the members who repeatedly seem to need help finding free visual content for their eBay auctions.

[metsbats]

Re: possible photo match on a team issued hat?

quiggle28

Please contact me regarding your GUF login status.

Thanks
David

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[xpress34]

Re: possible photo match on a team issued hat?

Threads like this make me sick. He can buy and sell what he wants, if you don't like it then don't do business with him. Bashing this guy for making a buck on an item is a joke. He doesn't need to justify himself to anyone on this board. Its none of your buisness why he needs/wants to sell. And suggesting that he needs to (re)distribute the profit among those who helped when he just asked for an opinion?

Jimmy -

Not bashing you, but the only reason I posted in this thread was to point out inconsistencies in quiggles' statements.

He asked for help with a photo match - innocent enough.

When he placed it up for sale on eBay, he irked some members who thought he had 'taken advantage' of the kindness of board members who helped with hi-res photos.

My issue is the fact that at least one member made an offer here to buy the hat - and id doesn't appear that he even got a response back - the hat went to the 'Bay.

As soon as the better hi-res image was posted, the eBay posting was ended by quiggles - it didn't expire - and then he reposted it for $1,000 more... all the while saying he never asked for the phototmatch to up the value of his hat...

Then, when people started getting antsy about the whole issue, he basically said thanks for the photo help, but screw all of you I don't care about your opinions - it's not your business.

And I'll be the 1st to admit, it's not anyone's business what he buys and sells, but the timing is suspect at best when he comes here asking for help and as soon as he gets it, the item hits eBay - he gets a better photomatch and UPS the price on eBay and then he comes here and basically says go screw to everyone on the board.

I'll repeat myself again - in this hobby, Reputation is Everything and without a doubt, quiggles tarnished his on this board.

How could he have handled it differently?

If he was even considering selling, he could have mentioned that when asking for photo help.

If the selling idea truly came after the fact, he could have mentioned here - after he received help from the board - that he was considering selling.

There are plenty of guys here who probably would have been interested (he had at least one public offer in this thread for it) and it wouldn't have the appearance that it now has that he did an end around to sell it after getting photo matches.

And then to decide to tell everyone that 'their opinions don't matter to him'... let's just throw some more gas on the fire for good measure.

Just my .02

-Smitty

[frikativ54]

Re: possible photo match on a team issued hat?

Looks like Quiggle got the boot. While I understand why some are frustrated, there's no rule that says that if one asks for help with photomatching, the person receiving it can't sell the item.

[metsbats]

Re: possible photo match on a team issued hat?

Looks like Quiggle got the boot. While I understand why some are frustrated, there's no rule that says that if one asks for help with photomatching, the person receiving it can't sell the item.

Frik,

quiggle was banned temporarily having two GUF login accounts.

quiggle and quiggle28

This suspension will be for a period of 1 week.

If he wants to be reinstated he will have to re-register and provide a valid name.

If anyone wants to ask for photo matching help on this forum, receives it and subsequently sells the item it is not a rule violation.

David

[metsbats]

Re: possible photo match on a team issued hat?

The direction of this thread has gone way off as to add any value to the hobby and collecting in general. If it continues to go in that direction we will have to closed it.

That said, my personal opinion regarding this situation is we are all here to help and we cannot control nor probably should care what someone will do with something in their "collection" after they receive this help.

People are free to do what they want with their items.

If you feel a person is going to try to sell a item for a premium after they photo-match it and you don't agree with it don't offer an opinion.

Word gets around fast and sooner or later we get to know who the real collectors are verses the speculators out to make a quick buck.

[GoTigers]

Re: possible photo match on a team issued hat?

I probably should have been more clear in my first post, I wrote it while waiting in the car, so let me explain. I completely agree that quiggly didn't handle this in the best way. I don't know the guy and have never dealt with him, so I'm not sticking up for him. If anyone feels he was misleading or not telling the truth, then I dont blame them for being upset. As I said before I don't have a problem with anyone selling anything as long as they are up front and truthful. My issue is with people demonizing a profit, or asking for a "justifiable" reason whenever they see an item for sale.

As far as asking for help on this forum.. I think the people here are great about helping new collectors learn the ropes as well as sharing information among long time collectors, and I hope that continues. Anyone who takes advantage of other peoples kindness, or does not handle things well will surely find their posts unanswered, as they should. Personally I'm a fan of offering money or collectables for any favors that I feel will take considerable time from other people.

Anyways, I'm not the kind of guy to get into internet fights so I hope nobody felt like I was calling them out. Baseball is just around the corner.

[nycpropain]

Re: possible photo match on a team issued hat?

I wonder why ebay pulled the auction?