1968 Ohio State Football Jersey Ebay Fraud

[jeffaary]

Re: 1968 Ohio State Football Jersey Ebay Fraud

I finally got a chance to watch the entire video. Maciejowski appears in one play at the 8:00 mark, and there's really good footage of him rolling out towards the camera and throwing. His jersey has short sleeves. Unless he wore more than one jersey in the game this information about it being from the 1969 Purdue game is incorrect. I don't see any of the other Buckeyes with long sleeve jerseys in this video either.

[trsent]

Re: 1968 Ohio State Football Jersey Ebay Fraud

I finally got a chance to watch the entire video. Maciejowski appears in one play at the 8:00 mark, and there's really good footage of him rolling out towards the camera and throwing. His jersey has short sleeves. Unless he wore more than one jersey in the game this information about it being from the 1969 Purdue game is incorrect. I don't see any of the other Buckeyes with long sleeve jerseys in this video either.

It's fine if you don't like the jersey and have concerns about it, but using the word "Fraud" is not fair to the seller. They have reason to believe the item is legitimate. "Fraud" is someone selling something they know is not genuine as genuine.

The seller believes their item to be genuine from what I have read and I don't see any fraud here. If you have concerns with the item you shouldn't bid on it. I'm not sure where else this discussion has to go.

[jeffaary]

Re: 1968 Ohio State Football Jersey Ebay Fraud

They have reason to believe the item is legitimate. "Fraud" is someone selling something they know is not genuine as genuine.
The seller believes their item to be genuine from what I have read and I don't see any fraud here.

Based on the evidence presented here, exactly what reason does the seller have to believe this jersey is a game worn 1968 Maciejowski jersey as it is listed on Ebay? The title of the auction and the information in the auction text has yet to be proven, in fact much of it has been proven incorrect in this thread.

Furthermore, the information in the auction continues to change. That means people who have already bid on the jersey are not getting what they thought they were getting. And based on the current bid price, which is considerably higher than the last two legitimate 1968 OSU jerseys that sold publicly brought ($950 each), my guess is the high bidders truly believed at the time of bidding that this is a game worn 1968 Maciejowski jersey. Would you be happy if you placed a $10,000 bid on a jersey listed as and described as Eli Manning's 2012 Super Bowl jersey, then the seller changed the text to say that according to another Ebayer it may be his 2007 pre-season jersey instead?

To be fair to the bidders, if I were the seller I would end the auction, start over, and describe the item with what we really know about the jersey. It is a jersey that has many characteristics of OSU jerseys from the 1966-68 era, but a picture or video of a player wearing a jersey in this exact configuration (long sleeves, black sleeve numbers) has not yet been found.

[trsent]

Re: 1968 Ohio State Football Jersey Ebay Fraud

To be fair to the bidders, if I were the seller I would end the auction, start over, and describe the item with what we really know about the jersey. It is a jersey that has many characteristics of OSU jerseys from the 1966-68 era, but a picture or video of a player wearing a jersey in this exact configuration (long sleeves, black sleeve numbers) has not yet been found.

You are not the seller of the jersey, so you don't get to make those decisions.

[yanks12025]

Re: 1968 Ohio State Football Jersey Ebay Fraud

I don't know anything about football gear, but if you put the jersey on top of pads wouldn't it then be smaller/shorter?

[pietraynor]

Re: 1968 Ohio State Football Jersey Ebay Fraud

Not to add to the confusion, but in looking at the photo provided, the OSU player in the foreground appears to have black numbers on his shoulder area, while #32 (Tatum?) appears to have black numbers just above his sleeve area. Maybe it's the way I'm looking at it..anyone else see this? Jay

[beantown]

Re: 1968 Ohio State Football Jersey Ebay Fraud

Received this from the winner of the auction...

Wow I just read the thread on GUF. I quit reading that when I sold my collection 3-4 years ago.

I can tell you I have now have the Maciejowksi jersey and matched it up to a 1968 Tom Ecrement #90 (scarlet) size 46, short sleeve which I have in my collection.

I can tell you that the jersey you sold me matches the '68 Ecrement in every way, but one.

Tagging Rawlings is the exact same as is the wash instruction tag.
Material: Scarlet durene is the exact same
Stiching: Is the exact same
Crotch Piece: sewn into shirt in the exact same way[/B]
Buttons are missing on Maciejowski ,but placement of thread and button indents is the same as the Ecrement
Stripes: The stripes on the jerseys are a dead on match.
Front and Back Numbers: Are almost identical in size. I can get exact measurements later, but the appear to be within 1/8th of an inch. Shrinkage can account for that.
Black TV numbers: Are dead on the exact same size.
Sleeve Length: The Ecrement is a very long short sleeve. The Maciejowski is a longer sleeve, but if you put this size 44 over some pads and then over the body, there is no way the end of the jersey sleeve comes close to the wrist.

If the #18 is not a OSU jersey than I have have no idea what it can be. It meets all the specifications of the Ecrement. The Ecrement has more game use and is just a wee bit lighter in color, but that has to do with washing and use. You cannot tell any color variations until you put them side-by-side and then it appears as if the Ecrement has some fading due to washing and the sun.

I could not be any happier with the jersey. Since I have been collecting OSU jerseys over the last 12 years I have only seen four jerseys come to auction from this time period. I own the Ecrement and Maciejowski. The #34 from Grey Flannel I did not get nor did I get a white '68 #53 from the same owner who sold me the Ecrement. Other than a 1955 scarlet Will Booth, which I own, I have not seen any other OSU jerseys come to market dated before 1969 other than these five. They are just that rare and hard to find. If you ever come across another please contact me.

[trsent]

Re: 1968 Ohio State Football Jersey Ebay Fraud

Received this from the winner of the auction...

Wow I just read the thread on GUF. I quit reading that when I sold my collection 3-4 years ago.

I can tell you I have now have the Maciejowksi jersey and matched it up to a 1968 Tom Ecrement #90 (scarlet) size 46, short sleeve which I have in my collection.

I can tell you that the jersey you sold me matches the '68 Ecrement in every way, but one.

Tagging Rawlings is the exact same as is the wash instruction tag.
Material: Scarlet durene is the exact same
Stiching: Is the exact same
Crotch Piece: sewn into shirt in the exact same way[/b]
Buttons are missing on Maciejowski ,but placement of thread and button indents is the same as the Ecrement
Stripes: The stripes on the jerseys are a dead on match.
Front and Back Numbers: Are almost identical in size. I can get exact measurements later, but the appear to be within 1/8th of an inch. Shrinkage can account for that.
Black TV numbers: Are dead on the exact same size.
Sleeve Length: The Ecrement is a very long short sleeve. The Maciejowski is a longer sleeve, but if you put this size 44 over some pads and then over the body, there is no way the end of the jersey sleeve comes close to the wrist.

If the #18 is not a OSU jersey than I have have no idea what it can be. It meets all the specifications of the Ecrement. The Ecrement has more game use and is just a wee bit lighter in color, but that has to do with washing and use. You cannot tell any color variations until you put them side-by-side and then it appears as if the Ecrement has some fading due to washing and the sun.

I could not be any happier with the jersey. Since I have been collecting OSU jerseys over the last 12 years I have only seen four jerseys come to auction from this time period. I own the Ecrement and Maciejowski. The #34 from Grey Flannel I did not get nor did I get a white '68 #53 from the same owner who sold me the Ecrement. Other than a 1955 scarlet Will Booth, which I own, I have not seen any other OSU jerseys come to market dated before 1969 other than these five. They are just that rare and hard to find. If you ever come across another please contact me.

That's an awesome email and shows why no one should use the word "Fraud" to describe something that was in no way, shape or form "Fraud".

[yosef777]

Re: 1968 Ohio State Football Jersey Ebay Fraud

Regardless of when or who wore that is a beautiful jersey! Love to see the durenes in the sea of micromesh and 'dazzle' fabrics.

[BrianK]

Re: 1968 Ohio State Football Jersey Ebay Fraud

It's nice to hear the follow-up. Thanks to the buyer for posting. Just curious, does your Ecrement Jersey have a nameplate?